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with love rebounding you get easy plays like this

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Sorry, as a laker fan of more than 20 years, this is crazy talk. Shaq could be a beast when he wanted to be, particularly in the playoffs. you're point is half-valid if you only look at the stats and only for those years. remember that Kobe started that run when he was 17 (Shaq was 23 and just rounding into his -- short-lived -- prime). Lord knows what Shaq could have accomplished if he'd had an ounce of work ethic. but that wasn't the case. I can't remember many players -- Jordan is one, maybe Johnson but in a very different way -- who have been able to dominate a game the way Bryant could. He's a very special player.

To me they are both great players, if you give Bryant nod over O'Neal I'm fine with that. I wouldn't say it's a crazy talk taking O'Neal over Bryant it's not like the big guy doesn't have a case.
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with love rebounding you get easy plays like this

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that's one of the best passes Ive ever seen no joke
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To me they are both great players, if you give Bryant nod over O'Neal I'm fine with that. I wouldn't say it's a crazy talk taking O'Neal over Bryant it's not like the big guy doesn't have a case.

If you are talking about someone you can build around for a now-or-never, one or two season run, then Shaq in his prime when he was still the right kind of hungry is worth including in the conversation. If you're looking for someone to be your core for the next five or ten years, it seems pretty clear that Kobe and LeBron come well ahead of him on the list.
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with lakers defending you get easy plays like this

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FTFY
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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

If you are talking about someone you can build around for a now-or-never, one or two season run, then Shaq in his prime when he was still the right kind of hungry is worth including in the conversation. If you're looking for someone to be your core for the next five or ten years, it seems pretty clear that Kobe and LeBron come well ahead of him on the list.

His longevity is underrated. O'Neal played 11 seasons combined with Lakers and Magic, missed PO only in his rookie year and made finals 5 times out 10 during that stretch. That's a decade of being a top5 player in the game. And that's not counting 2 really decent years he had with Heat.
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His longevity is underrated. O'Neal played 11 seasons combined with Lakers and Magic, missed PO only in his rookie year and made finals 5 times out 10 during that stretch. That's a decade of being a top5 player in the game. And that's not counting 2 really decent years he had with Heat.
hate to be a hater, but that's not quite what the stats say. after leaving the lakers he only had two seasons over 20ppg (and once just barely). and 2 seasons over 10rpg (and both just barely). there's no question that at his peak, he was a force (particularly when the refs let him have his way). but he wasn't at his peak for very long and rarely for a full season.
compare that to kobe, who after turning 19, had only one season scoring less than 25 ppg -- and that was last year when he was hurt after 6 games.
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fact check mafia represent

i guess you forgot we don't do stats here. we care more about game film and by game film i mean youtube highlights
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check his stats 1993-2004 if you have short memory
also Kobe having only one sub 25ppg season since he turned 19 is also bullshit, so you guys might check both these thing while you're at it
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Ohhh shittt


I sense a Stats Off coming
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is that like a dance off with amare stoudemire
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fact check mafia represent

i guess you forgot we don't do stats here. we care more about game film and by game film i mean youtube highlights

NO FCM
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ya shaq burnt out rather quickly but that's sort of expected for a big man

kobe has been stellar for what seems like an eternity and on a continuous incline from the beginning
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

hate to be a hater, but that's not quite what the stats say. after leaving the lakers he only had two seasons over 20ppg (and once just barely). and 2 seasons over 10rpg (and both just barely). there's no question that at his peak, he was a force (particularly when the refs let him have his way). but he wasn't at his peak for very long and rarely for a full season.
compare that to kobe, who after turning 19, had only one season scoring less than 25 ppg -- and that was last year when he was hurt after 6 games.

not that I disagree but lets give Shaq his due, he did have 14 seasons of 20/10 and yes he was a physical beast but he wasn't going up against Shawn Bradley every night and back then teams were allowed to really play defense, unlike now. Also as a center, his touches are limited to having his number called or getting put backs, Shaq only has two years where he averaged more than 20 attempts per game and Kobe only has 1 year in the last 14 seasons where he averaged less than 20 attempts (not counting last year). If Shaq had shot his free throws in the 70% range, he would have had a bunch of 30 ppg seasons, and that's playing with shot chuckers like Penny and Kobe.

Its hard if not impossible to compare a guard to a big man. Kobe is obviously a lot more dynamic and as you mentioned can take over games singlehandedly but he also ha the ball in his hands all the time and a guy like Shaq needs to have the ball given to him. Yes, being 7ft and 300 lbs is not a talent, its hitting the genetic lottery but there still is skill and work involved in getting a body that big to do the things that he did. Kobe is a more talented player, harder working, more drive, the kind of player you build dynasty's around. But Shaq wasn't just a big loaf.
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