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post #17536 of 27239
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

the issue is kyrie's contract almost doubling for 2015. i doubt he's going to restructure - the only way it would work would be lebron opting out, resigning for like 10 mil and love taking under what he's get otherwise as well. it's not gonna work. trade wiggins now. their options if they wait are either trade kyrie or hope that lebron is going to gift them with the most undervalued NBA player in history.

from yahoo:

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Momentum seems to be building for a blockbuster trade that would send Kevin Love to Cleveland.

The Cavaliers are now willing to include No. 1 pick Andrew Wiggins in a trade, according to widespread reports. LeBron James even called Love to tell him he wanted to play together.

A trio of LeBron, Love, and Kyrie Irving would be a younger, more offensively dynamic version of the Miami Heat's Big-3. But as great as it would be to see Love play next to James, the trade comes with risks.

It's not true that the only risk for Cleveland is that Wiggins goes on to become a superstar. The real issue here is that trading for Love severely limits their options going forward.

The trade would eat up Cleveland's cap space for the foreseeable future. The Cavaliers would be locked into LeBron-Love-Kyrie. That's their team. They could make smaller moves to put a supporting cast around them, but if you trade Wiggins for Love, you're setting your core in stone before we've even seen one game of the second LeBron era.

Assuming Love gets a maximum contract starting around $19 million, Cleveland would have ~$56.4 million committed to the new Big-3 alone in 2015-16. Even if you traded/declined to bring back Anthony Bennett, Tristian Thompson, and Dion Waiters, the most cap room Cleveland would have next summer is $6.6 million.

Here's the team's general cap situation for 2015-16 in each scenario.

Trade for Love:

•LeBron James: $21.6 million
•Kevin Love: ~$19 million
•Kyrie Irving: $15.9 million
•Anthony Bennett/Tristian Thompson/Dion Waiters (team options/qualifying offers): $17.7 million
•Maximum possible cap space: $6.6 million


Keep Wiggins:

•LeBron James: $21.6 million
•Kyrie Irving: $15.9 million
•Andrew Wiggins: $4.8 million
•Anthony Bennett/Tristian Thompson/Dion Waiters (team options/qualifying offers): $17.7 million
•Maximum possible cap space: $19.7 million
Cleveland has the ability to create maximum cap room next summer. It'd be tricky They would have to trade/decline to pick up options on Bennett, Thompson, and Waiters, but they can do it.

At that point their options are open.

Marc Gasol and LaMarcus Aldridge will be a free agents — maybe they think one of those guys will be a better fit than the offensive-minded Love. Even if they don't, there's an off-chance that they can sign Love as a free agent in the summer of 2015.

If the Cavs don't want to go the free agency route, they can re-sign all their young guys and try to build a championship-caliber team organically.

By that time they'll have a better idea of what type of players Wiggins and Bennett will become, and will be able to make a better-informed decision.

It's also not a certainty that Love immediately makes Cleveland the best team in the NBA. He and Kyrie Irving are both below-average defenders. To get some rim protection on the floor, you'd probably have to play a center next to Love, meaning you have to shift LeBron to small forward and lose the inherent advantage that playing LeBron as a stretch-4 gives you.

The Cavaliers have a roster right now that can be shaped in any number of ways. Pulling the trigger on a Love trade limits your options to one — namely, trying to surround LeBron-Love-Kyrie with enough veterans and role players to win a title.
post #17537 of 27239
Lebron is 30 and has a ton of minutes on him. Take Love now and have a chance to contend this year and for the next several. Banking on one of your prospects working out 3-4 years from now is passing on Lebron's final few years of being the best in the league. Kevin Love is 25, he has 5 - 10 more years of great play. Grab that. What are the odds of Wiggins approaching Love? Even if he does eventually surpass Love, what are the odds of him doing so during his rookie contract?

Take Love now.
post #17538 of 27239
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Originally Posted by Teger View Post

Lebron is 29.5 and has a ton of minutes on him.
post #17539 of 27239
Yeah, Wiggins will be good, but probably not All-Star good before LeBron goes on the decline.
post #17540 of 27239
Ah forget Love and the Cavs, who cares. In more important news, "Yuki Togashi", did anyone know this was happening confused.gif

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/originals/2014/07/17/20140716-togashi-summer-league.nba/index.html?ls=nba:specialssplit4

He looks like one of the SW&D posters.
post #17541 of 27239
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Ah forget Love and the Cavs, who cares. In more important news, "Yuki Togashi", did anyone know this was happening confused.gif

http://www.nba.com/video/channels/originals/2014/07/17/20140716-togashi-summer-league.nba/index.html?ls=nba:specialssplit4

He looks like one of the SW&D posters.

Love it. Give that guy a roster spot.
post #17542 of 27239
Wow he's 5' 7"
post #17543 of 27239
He looks awful - as in awful form and out of control and off balance all the time.
post #17544 of 27239
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

He looks awful - as in awful form and out of control and off balance all the time.

Agreed. On his jump shot, he looks like a kid who's just learning how to play on ten foot rims, and is using the jump to help "push" the ball toward the rim rather than for elevation.
post #17545 of 27239
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Originally Posted by dopey View Post

He looks awful - as in awful form and out of control and off balance all the time.

Yuo can say the same about J.R. Smith and many others. His floater is Tony Parker-ish. Obviously he is a huge defensive liabilty and may be at best a backup to the backup but I hope he makes it, I still fondly remember watching Mugsy.
post #17546 of 27239
Davis and now Boozer... wow big gets for the Lakers. lol8[1].gif
post #17547 of 27239
His release is a little odd and he turns his body a lot more than normal but I feel like it's to get a higher arc and more space to get over defenders. At any rate it's not terrible or unfixable

I am biased because id like to see another Asian in the league especially a fun sized one
post #17548 of 27239
I was not aware that the Wizards got Kris Humphries and DeJuan Blair. Neither one is going to light a team on fire but those are solid bigs, particularly for a team starting Nene and Gortat. They also have Pierce so another nice lineup building up in the East.
post #17549 of 27239

The Wizards are going to be an interesting team to watch this season for sure. 

post #17550 of 27239
and Hawks quietly signed Thebo to give them some good wing D. They have Horford coming back, another team that can make some noise.I'm just happy that the East is rising.
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