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post #17356 of 27247
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Originally Posted by jrd617 View Post

^ NYC the city is great and all, don't get me wrong.

But Knicks are losers.

MSG is a dump. It's the NBA equivalent of the Metrodome or the Superdome or the Oakland Coliseum.

And for Knick fans to boast about Phil being the GM is just presumptuous.

Also, last I checked the Bulls and Lakers were way ahead of Knicks in profitability. A couple rings will do that

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/emdm45hle/1-chicago-bulls/

From your link:

" and New York was the NBA's most profitable team last season."
post #17357 of 27247
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post


they say MSG is the Mecca of basketball, and it pretty much is a grand stage for players to showcase a monster game... the problem is its always the opposing player on the visiting team on showcase (Lebron dropping 50, or kobe dropping 50, or jordan decapitating the 90's knicks, or Reggie Miller, ect) tongue.gif



But thats the thing, even when my team sucks, other players recognize the awesomeness of being in our presence and bring their A++ games. Off the top of your head, which players dropped 50 in Miami, Milwaukee, Houston, Indiana, OKC etc? You probably have to dig to find it and not because no one has done it, but because no one really cares when it happens elsewhere bigstar[1].gif

Jordan himself said that playing the Riley Knicks was pretty much the championship series, as once they got passed us they knew the Finals would be a caskewalk.
Edited by edmorel - 7/15/14 at 8:01am
post #17358 of 27247
So the Knicks best selling point is that people like dropping 50 points on them? Nice.
post #17359 of 27247
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

Yeah, I liked the article, too. Melo gets too much undeserved hate, but Simmons does have a point -- he chose the money over winning (same decision Bosh made by spurning Houston), so he's made his bed. Now he has to sleep in it.

I'll have to read the Simmons article, although I think he is currently the worse hack (the yahoo sports writers are worse though) in the NBA reporting corps. But here is what I don't understand, everyone with this "Melo took the money, he doesn't care about winning lol!!!" confused.gif Its very lazy journalism meant to feed into the Melo narrative (which they have created). So who was looking to add Melo, the Bulls, Houston, Lakers and Mavs. When you look at those 4 teams, there is no lock there for a championship team, or even a second round team. They all have thier issues, Lakers rebuilding/Bulls Rose injuries/Mavs best player is closer to retirement than to his prime/Houston has shot chuckers but no bench and no defense. So he is supposed to care so much about winning, that he goes to a team that has a better chance today (but not necessarily going forward) of winning than the Knicks but obviously no guarantee and in the process leave anywhere from $30-50 million on the table.

So when he's 38 years old and can't get any more big contracts and is still without a ring, Bill Simmons can write an article about how noble Melo was in his quest for a ring :jerkingoffhandsymbol:
post #17360 of 27247
You should read the article. There are stats to back up basically everything Simmons is saying. Also, kinda hard to see how Chicago is an iffy fit, regardless of short term or long term outlook. Joakim Noah, Derrick Rose (even with his shoddy knees, the Bulls were 3rd in the East without him), Jimmy Butler, Doug McDermott, Nikola Mirotic, Kirk Hinrich and a top-five coach in Thibs is better than anything the Knicks can offer this coming season and most likely in the subsequent seasons after. If Melo cares about winning, why would he sign a long-term deal knowing he's guaranteed to have at least one more terrible season before Phil can re-tool the roster? He's already 30. He shouldn't be wasting any time on a rebuilding team if he's chasing rings. So yeah, money...
post #17361 of 27247

Melo goes to Chicago: he's just a mercenary looking for a ring! He should have stayed with his home town team! No loyalty!

 

Melo stays in NY: he has no drive to win! He should have went to Chicago where he could have a chance at winning!

 

Give me a break... 99.9% of sports "journalism" is pure gasbaggery and nonsense. Just enjoy the goddamn game. 

post #17362 of 27247
In an alternate universe somewhere, edmorel is shitting on the Knicks something fierce for the past 30 years. Would be a treat to see
post #17363 of 27247
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

You should read the article. There are stats to back up basically everything Simmons is saying. Also, kinda hard to see how Chicago is an iffy fit, regardless of short term or long term outlook. Joakim Noah, Derrick Rose (even with his shoddy knees, the Bulls were 3rd in the East without him), Jimmy Butler, Doug McDermott, Nikola Mirotic, Kirk Hinrich and a top-five coach in Thibs is better than anything the Knicks can offer this coming season and most likely in the subsequent seasons after. If Melo cares about winning, why would he sign a long-term deal knowing he's guaranteed to have at least one more terrible season before Phil can re-tool the roster? He's already 30. He shouldn't be wasting any time on a rebuilding team if he's chasing rings. So yeah, money...

Well, the Knicks have as much money as anyone for the 2015-16 free agents and a Durant/Gasol paired with Melo and whatever other changes Jackson makes will most likely be at least as good as whatever the Bulls put on the floor in '15-16. If he goes to the Bulls on a 4 year contract and Rose can never really get back to form or gets reinjured, then what? The only guarantee is that there wil be 1 team out of the 30 next year that will be a champ. The other guarantee is that Melo will never get the option for a 5 year $100+ milion contract ever again and he would have left about $40mln on the table with Chicago. But yeah, I'm sure Bill Simmons and everyone else saying that he only cares about the money would not have resigned with the Knicks.
post #17364 of 27247
You know your team hasn't won anything in a while when "Yeah, but at least the owners are making shittons of money!" counts as some sort of selling point.
post #17365 of 27247
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Originally Posted by EMartNJ View Post

Melo goes to Chicago: he's just a mercenary looking for a ring! He should have stayed with his home town team! No loyalty!


Melo stays in NY: he has no drive to win! He should have went to Chicago where he could have a chance at winning!


Give me a break... 99.9% of sports "journalism" is pure gasbaggery and nonsense. Just enjoy the goddamn game. 


 


Obviously there's a way to spin everything he does in a negative light, but the end result is all that matters. I personally want to see him win a ring as I enjoy watching him play and I don't want his legacy to be akin to Reggie Miller's or Charles Barkley's (Barkley is actually ahead of Melo in terms of legacy right now...Barkley was an MVP). I also respect his choice to sign that 9-figure contract if that's what he thinks is best for him and his family. I just don't understand how people can say he did what was best for his career if what he wants is to win championships.

On the bright side, if Melo is saddled with a shit supporting cast for the rest of his time in NY, he has a legitimate chance to break Kareem's scoring record. That can be his legacy right there.
post #17366 of 27247
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

In an alternate universe somewhere, edmorel is shitting on the Knicks something fierce for the past 30 years. Would be a treat to see

I stopped watching them after JVG quit on them and I missed (or at least did not actively follow) the Starbury years and I picked up again once Stats came on (but only passively). The Riley years, I was a nut case. I had season tickets and not sure how I did not suffer a heart attack during the Bulls and Pacers playoff series. I really got on the bandwagon again with JLin. Outside of NY, people don't realize what he did and what he meant to the city, when he went batshit crazy on the league. I think he still has that in him and I hope he is given a chance in LA, he can be a 18-20ppg and 5-6 apg guy.
post #17367 of 27247
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

You know your team hasn't won anything in a while when "Yeah, but at least the owners are making shittons of money!" counts as some sort of selling point.

well, in the last 15 years there have only been 6 different champs so that leaves 24 teams with nothing else to sell. And if you go back 20 years, only 8 different teams have won and in that 20 year period, Knicks made it to the Finals twice.
post #17368 of 27247
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Well, the Knicks have as much money as anyone for the 2015-16 free agents and a Durant/Gasol paired with Melo and whatever other changes Jackson makes will most likely be at least as good as whatever the Bulls put on the floor in '15-16. If he goes to the Bulls on a 4 year contract and Rose can never really get back to form or gets reinjured, then what? The only guarantee is that there wil be 1 team out of the 30 next year that will be a champ. The other guarantee is that Melo will never get the option for a 5 year $100+ milion contract ever again and he would have left about $40mln on the table with Chicago. But yeah, I'm sure Bill Simmons and everyone else saying that he only cares about the money would not have resigned with the Knicks.

 


Those weren't the only 2 options (signing with CHI for 4 years or signing with NY for 5) at his disposal. The smart thing would have been signing a LeBron-style 2-year contract with Chicago with a player option after the first year. That way he can opt out and come to the Knicks if Phil Jackson's master plan pans out, but he's not wasting a year of his career in his chase for a ring. He's also maintaining the prospect of making even more money because the TV deal will come into play and the salary cap will be adjusted much higher. With this 5-year deal, he's locked into a big contract that will not be so big in a couple seasons.

Whatever happens, I just hope Melo can live with the choice he's made, money aside.
post #17369 of 27247
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I'll have to read the Simmons article, although I think he is currently the worse hack (the yahoo sports writers are worse though) in the NBA reporting corps. But here is what I don't understand, everyone with this "Melo took the money, he doesn't care about winning lol!!!" confused.gif Its very lazy journalism meant to feed into the Melo narrative (which they have created). So who was looking to add Melo, the Bulls, Houston, Lakers and Mavs. When you look at those 4 teams, there is no lock there for a championship team, or even a second round team. They all have thier issues, Lakers rebuilding/Bulls Rose injuries/Mavs best player is closer to retirement than to his prime/Houston has shot chuckers but no bench and no defense. So he is supposed to care so much about winning, that he goes to a team that has a better chance today (but not necessarily going forward) of winning than the Knicks but obviously no guarantee and in the process leave anywhere from $30-50 million on the table.

So when he's 38 years old and can't get any more big contracts and is still without a ring, Bill Simmons can write an article about how noble Melo was in his quest for a ring :jerkingoffhandsymbol:

He says bulls could only offer him $15 mill a season four four years which is half of what the knicks could offer him over 5 and I think player option last year

I think pretty much most people would take $125 million over $60 million tho

Melo did make a pretty shit decision asking to be traded last year of his contract which depleted New York of all assets when he could've signed the year after for more money and came to a decent New York team
post #17370 of 27247
yeah you are right, he could have taken shorter deals, even with the Knicks (jackson mentioned him considering a 1 year deal). But he signs a 2 year deal with Bulls, opts out and comes to the Knicks because they are good (assuming there is space and they take him back) then everyone would give him shit for that. Only time will tell whether this was a good or bad decision but I just get this feeling of righteousness/smugness from the writers that are accusing him of simply being about the money when you don't really know what is going to happen with any team. I am not a Melo apologist, I've skewered his ISO game and his selfishness on here before but I think alot of that was because of his enabler, Woodson and his lack of offensive sets. I think Melo is looking at the bigger picture now, in terms of being a more well rounded player, and I think he will take the Knicks to at least the ECF, not next year, but shortly. time will tell though.
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