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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

He's a total fit. But he's making 19 mil...

He is basically same player as Duncan with slightly worse D, same passing, better rebounding and scoring
I don't see this as a great fit, too much redudancy with TD and Splitter

OKC would be a perfect fit, he should play center with Ibaka at 4, that would be nice upgrade over Porkins
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Spurs don't need anybody. Do they have better chances at another championship with pau or lebron? Yes but they can also get there just fine without them. They got their monster second round pick and they're getting back pretty much everybody from last year. They also have $9 mill in cap space tho but I highly doubt that's enough for pau. They also need at least one more wing and they haven't signed patty mills yet
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They signed Patty at 4 and Boris at 7. As Patty will be out till Jan, I'd bet they'll resign Joseph. Ayers and Bonner will be gone.
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For a long time I thought his name was Paddy Mills
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

I disagree, Harden doesn't play defense, Howard can't make free throws and is a petulant child. And who needs a 7 foot three point shooter?

IMO OKC is still the OTHER team to beat.

 


Well, every player has his weaknesses, even those beloved guys in black and silver. Duncan is old, slow, needs his minutes managed by Pop, and has difficulty defending more than 15 feet from the basket. Tony Parker gets a little careless with his ball-handling (Russell Westbrook picked his pocket way too many times in the WCF). The argument against this is that the Spurs have a good bench and a great system with great coaching, which is true, but only to a certain extent.

There's a reason why the Spurs have never won back-to-back titles and teams like the Bulls, Lakers, and Heat have. The system that your team runs will eventually be exploited once opposing teams have had enough time to watch all the film and break everything down. It's myopic to think that San Antonio has somehow caught lightning in a bottle with this offensive scheme and they will all of a sudden start reeling off championships left and right. These things are cyclical. Pop will have to change things up a bit and there's always the chance things won't work as well as you hope they will (like when the Spurs were the #1 seed and were bounced by the Grizzlies in the first round of the playoffs a couple seasons ago). It's true that Phil Jackson ran the triangle offense pretty consistently in his time with the Bulls and Lakers, but he had the superstars to overcome whatever defense opposing teams threw at them.

The one constant that those Bulls, Lakers, and Heat teams that won back-to-back titles have in common is individual talent -- Jordan-Pippen, Kobe-Shaq, Kobe-Gasol, Wade-LBJ-Bosh. You need guys like this if you want to withstand the barrage that's about to come from the rest of the league now that you've won a title and have a target on your back. The only Spur who really ticks that box, IMO, is Kawhi Leonard, but he's just one man and the rest of the Spurs core is aging fast.

If Houston can get Bosh and OKC can get Gasol, I would put those 2 teams above the Spurs in the West (I'd probably put the Clippers above them, too, now that they've got a year with Doc Rivers at the helm under their belts). As much as I want to see the Spurs repeat and wave a gigantic middle finger toward all the big-market teams, I just don't see it happening, not when Duncan is pushing 40.

Also, "who needs a 7 foot three point shooter"??? For real? Bosh provides tons of floor spacing with his shooting, giving Dwight Howard room to work down on the low block and Harden room on the opposite wing. More importantly, Houston needs his defense as he can guard the pick and roll all the way out to the perimeter, something that Howard can't do. Also, he can spend some time at the 5-spot when Howard is on the bench and play down low. People seem to forget that Bosh is a great post player -- he was a 20 and 10 guy in Toronto. And yeah, Dirk Nowitzki...
Edited by diadem - 7/11/14 at 8:01am
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^it looks more like josh smith:

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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

I disagree, Harden doesn't play defense, Howard can't make free throws and is a petulant child. And who needs a 7 foot three point shooter?

IMO OKC is still the OTHER team to beat.

 


Well, every player has his weaknesses, even those beloved guys in black and silver. Duncan is old, slow, needs his minutes managed by Pop, and has difficulty defending more than 15 feet from the basket. Tony Parker gets a little careless with his ball-handling (Russell Westbrook picked his pocket way too many times in the WCF). The argument against this is that the Spurs have a good bench and a great system with great coaching, which is true, but only to a certain extent.

There's a reason why the Spurs have never won back-to-back titles and teams like the Bulls, Lakers, and Heat have. The system that your team runs will eventually be exploited once opposing teams have had enough time to watch all the film and break everything down. It's myopic to think that San Antonio has somehow caught lightning in a bottle with this offensive scheme and they will all of a sudden start reeling off championships left and right. These things are cyclical. Pop will have to change things up a bit and there's always the chance things won't work as well as you hope they will (like when the Spurs were the #1 seed and were bounced by the Grizzlies in the first round of the playoffs a couple seasons ago). It's true that Phil Jackson ran the triangle offense pretty consistently in his time with the Bulls and Lakers, but he had the superstars to overcome whatever defense opposing teams threw at them.

The one constant that those Bulls, Lakers, and Heat teams that won back-to-back titles have in common is individual talent -- Jordan-Pippen, Kobe-Shaq, Kobe-Gasol, Wade-LBJ-Bosh. You need guys like this if you want to withstand the barrage that's about to come from the rest of the league now that you've won a title and have a target on your back. The only Spur who really ticks that box, IMO, is Kawhi Leonard, but he's just one man and the rest of the Spurs core is aging fast.

If Houston can get Bosh and OKC can get Gasol, I would put those 2 teams above the Spurs in the West (I'd probably put the Clippers above them, too, now that they've got a year with Doc Rivers at the helm under their belts). As much as I want to see the Spurs repeat and wave a gigantic middle finger toward all the big-market teams, I just don't see it happening, not when Duncan is pushing 40.

Also, "who needs a 7 foot three point shooter"??? For real? Bosh provides tons of floor spacing with his shooting, giving Dwight Howard room to work down on the low block and Harden room on the opposite wing. More importantly, Houston needs his defense as he can guard the pick and roll all the way out to the perimeter, something that Howard can't do. Also, he can spend some time at the 5-spot when Howard is on the bench and play down low. People seem to forget that Bosh is a great post player -- he was a 20 and 10 guy in Toronto. And yeah, Dirk Nowitzki...

I keep hearing Duncan is old every year but he stays a 20/10/2 guy. Pop manages everyone's minutes in SA, especially the big 3 (which are now the big 4)..

The Spurs are the best team in the NBA since 1999. Better in-season record than the Lakers, and the same amount of chips. They've only had 2 (maybe 3) losing seasons since their inception in 1973.

Isn't a 4 or 5 SUPPOSED to defend 15 feet from the basket and in? Especially when Splitter's off the floor and Diaw is playing 4?

Russell Westbrook is a great, but undisciplined player. Some nights you get 5 steals, and some nights 10 turnovers.

Dirk, Pau, and Bosh are all 20/10 guys who are SOFT under the basket.

Dwight is past his prime. I know everyone hates it when we quote fantasy numbers. But he's finished in the 200s the last 2 years. Duncan finished in the top 20 2 years ago, and the top 50 this year.
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Duncan stays a 20/10/2 guy because he's sitting out a lot of games each season now. He is for sure old. Pop has even listed him as "DNP - Old". He can obviously still contribute, but not like he used to and the time when he will no longer be effective on the court is fast approaching.

No one is saying the Spurs are worse than the Lakers since 1999, but it is an irrefutable fact that the Spurs have never won back-to-back titles while the Lakers have multiple times. I don't expect that trend to be broken this coming season.

And no, a 4 or 5 isn't solely supposed to defend 15 feet and in. The pick and roll is a staple of any NBA offense and a lot of the time it is initiated on the perimeter with the big man setting the pick. Oftentimes that big man is a stretch 4 who can shoot the 3-ball really well, so the pick-and-pop play becomes deadly if the defense can't step out and defend the 3-point arc.

And lol at "soft"...if a player can step outside and get 3 points the easier way rather than bang bodies down low and get 2 the hard way, so be it.
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So. Looks like my doucheyness is gonna get ramped up a bit.
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So Lebron announced Cleveland
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LeBron James will return to Cleveland as a member of the Cavaliers, he announced on Friday.

James will spurn the Heat to re-sign with the hometown franchise he left in heartbreaking fashion in 2010. In an exclusive interview with SI.com titled "I'm Coming Home," James says, "My relationship with Northeast Ohio is bigger than basketball. I didn’t realize that four years ago. I do now." His momentous decision should have an immediate chain reaction. Carmelo Anthony and other free agents are now freed to make their own decisions, and Chris Bosh may accept a max offer from the Rockets. The Cavs also have a rumored trade offer to the Wolves for Kevin Love, which would undoubtedly involve Andrew Wiggins. While the Cavs instantly become a championship contender with LeBron on board, the Heat are left patching together their roster as they enter the post-LeBron era.


Ha ha. Watch Wade follow him.
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well then

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If the Cavs pull off that trade for K-Love, things will get interesting. A Big 3 of Kyrie Irving, LeBron James, and Kevin Love is pretty formidable, at least on offense. IMO, Harden-Bosh-Howard is still better. Depends on how the rest of their respective rosters are filled out, though...
post #17129 of 27832
I give the guy credit, even though a lot is based on Miami breaking down, he has done a lot here to restore his image.

So this should see Bosh in HOU, Carmelo in NY. I think Luol Deng is back in play here for CLE. Wiggins is probably freaking out right now.

The Heat are rebuilding now, ha ha. Wow. Finals to breakup in weeks. Poor Napier, thought he was going to play with Lebron and now, nothing.
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Why'd he have to go back to Cleveland? Now we can't make that joke of "Not one, not two, not three" teams he ends up playing for ....
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