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post #16846 of 27250
i watch a fuck ton of college and if i had to state my opinions based on what I saw:

- jabari should be a multi-time all-star, a 20/8 guy
- wiggins seems like rudy gay with better defense and a little less scoring, think 16/7/5
- mcdermott will mirror wally's career IMO, a few years of starting and getting his 16-20, one monster year for a bad team and a few years of being a more handsome mike miller
- i think embed is the real deal, neither of his injuries are odd and he's very nimble, seems like he will wind up a top5 center for years
- stauskas seems like his ceiling is a rich man's reddick with much worse d
- gordon should be marion with less scoring potential
- smart seems like a bust; shawn respect with an attitude problem
- i think melo will leave and cleanthony early will average 17/7

hope this makes sense I'm pretty drunk
post #16847 of 27250
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

did you admit that you're speculating about the 6ers and mcw? how many of those games did you watch? i'm asking because i watched quite a few of their games because i unfortunately had mcw and thaddeus young on my fantasy team. simmons is exaggerating a bit, like always, but a lot of what he says rings true. mcw absolutely played worse defense as the year went on, and jacked up a number of poor shots for a pg (yes, i know his teammates were d-leaguers).

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what did I say about MCW? I saw the games they played against NY and I'm not one of those people (like Simmons) that believe that a good player on a shit team is a bad player (and I never accused him of being good defensively. I wouldn't trade MCW and turn the team over to Payton because MCW is a known quantity and I think MCW was deserving of the ROY. I also would not have picked for Embiid since they have Noel, I would have either traded the pick or gone for a SG/SF, is that so controversial confused.gif

In terms of the college players, everything about them is speculation at this point, I don't need to tell you the monster college players that have come into the NBA and turned to shit and the unheralded, unknown players that have become all stars. I don't know about jabari, I'm offering my opinion on what I've seen. I've yet to say anything about his college game or his skill set, I'm questioning the stuff outside the court, based on what has been written. No different than saying that he or any of these guys will be an all star in a year or two, who knows?

And in terms of bargnani, don't quote any analytics just tell me why you think that in a triangle system, a big guy that can shoot from 20 feet out, can put the ball on the floor and can post would not have success in that system. Not that he will, who the hell knows what is going to happen, but what you have seen in his game that tells you, "no way this guys puts up good numbers'.
post #16848 of 27250
Let's all take a minute to appreciate Nick Young getting wtf owned by an 8 year old

post #16849 of 27250
Problem with Bargs is that he's actually not that good a shooter. Ed has watched him more than me, but his career averages are mediocre and his Knicks averages from deep are abysmal. And then there's the problem of being nearly unplayable on defense
post #16850 of 27250

That Rajon Rondo move...it looks cool, but it's actually very easy and anyone who plays with any discipline at all on D won't leave the ground on that fake.  Yes, Swaggy is terrible on D, but he was probably fucking around a bit, too.  These are kids, after all.

post #16851 of 27250
lot of pro ballplayers up in here
post #16852 of 27250
Young has no killer instinct. Jordan would have put that kid on a poster.
post #16853 of 27250
ah forget it, its just a game..........
Edited by edmorel - 6/28/14 at 9:44pm
post #16854 of 27250
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

Young has no killer instinct. Jordan would have put that kid on a poster.
lol young was 1 for 2
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

what did I say about MCW? I saw the games they played against NY and I'm not one of those people (like Simmons) that believe that a good player on a shit team is a bad player (and I never accused him of being good defensively. I wouldn't trade MCW and turn the team over to Payton because MCW is a known quantity and I think MCW was deserving of the ROY. I also would not have picked for Embiid since they have Noel, I would have either traded the pick or gone for a SG/SF, is that so controversial confused.gif

In terms of the college players, everything about them is speculation at this point, I don't need to tell you the monster college players that have come into the NBA and turned to shit and the unheralded, unknown players that have become all stars. I don't know about jabari, I'm offering my opinion on what I've seen. I've yet to say anything about his college game or his skill set, I'm questioning the stuff outside the court, based on what has been written. No different than saying that he or any of these guys will be an all star in a year or two, who knows?

And in terms of bargnani, don't quote any analytics just tell me why you think that in a triangle system, a big guy that can shoot from 20 feet out, can put the ball on the floor and can post would not have success in that system. Not that he will, who the hell knows what is going to happen, but what you have seen in his game that tells you, "no way this guys puts up good numbers'.

simmons' point about mcw wasn't just that he was a good player on a shit team and that doesn't mean anything (he may have said that additionally), but more that he developed poor habits and tendencies while on that shit team, which i think is accurate. i probably disagree with his take that they would have been better off trading him, but i don't think that mcw's performance by any means warrants his being a building block for a future contender. he got roy, i thought deservingly, but his competition was really really poor. once again, the sixers don't wanna win, so they want embiid to sit out the whole year while they see what they have in noel and tank another season. hinkie is a mad genius, so he won't feel bad about trading any of his players (for better or worse).

i totally understand that everything is speculation, all we have are opinions, etc etc. but wen you say that his weight at the cavs workout means that he's gonna be a bust, i'm gonna counter that he didn't have any visible weight problems or production problems in college so he should be given some slack.

as for bargs, the player you described sounds great and like he could flourish in any single system. sounds like kevin love. i also don't think it particularly sounds like bargs. does anyone else??
post #16855 of 27250

lol, read his lips
post #16856 of 27250

Sounds like Jason Kidd attempted a coup for more power with the Nets...and failed, so he's looking to coach and run operations with the Bucks...

post #16857 of 27250
^ did not want to put that hat on.

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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

In terms of the college players, everything about them is speculation at this point, I don't need to tell you the monster college players that have come into the NBA and turned to shit and the unheralded, unknown players that have become all stars. I don't know about jabari, I'm offering my opinion on what I've seen. I've yet to say anything about his college game or his skill set, I'm questioning the stuff outside the court, based on what has been written. No different than saying that he or any of these guys will be an all star in a year or two, who knows?

I think much of the transition to the NBA is a guy's relationship with found money, often more than their actual capacity for performance among a more elite group of athletes.

Sometimes you encounter a Vesely but these guys are almost all freak athletes to some degree, and some can't think at NBA speed, but I suspect if you took the same draftees and put them in an NBA with no money, you'd probably see a very different landscape of who succeeds and fails.

The economic change brings a ton of distraction.
post #16858 of 27250
Payton got traded to magic for Dario saric on draft day
post #16859 of 27250
Philly fans must be thrilled, this sounds like another solid season
post #16860 of 27250
I feel like in 3, 4 years they'll be pretty awesome tho. Probably going to get a high draft pick this coming season and the next season too. Who knows maybe this is the beginning of the next okc thunders. Or maybe they just perpetually rebuild

I wonder if three years from now mcw will be getting a max contract.

The worst thing about Philly is there are no veterans to help the youngsters adjust to the nba and provide guidance and the right work ethic. Like Rashard Lewis talked about how ray allen really helped him adjust when he arrived and seeing ray allen arrive early every day for his intense workout helped him develop his own routing and motivated him to work harder. Or kevin durant talked a few times about how all the veterans on his team really guided him and provided him with motivation and work ethic

I feel like that's one of the things stats can't cover and sam hinkie doesn't seem to be considering it much (Work ethic and motivation and locker room culture (although maybe there is a way to quantify that too)).
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