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Eddie Griffin seems like he was an ass. Especially considering this is one of those troubled but misunderstood puff pieces that espn loves, it still doesn't make him look good

Immature, sure, and maybe he would have grown out of it, and certainly I'm not happy he died. But people kept giving him chances and he squandered all of them
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Carmelo into free agency frown.gif
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Damn. The East must be salivating at the thought of the Felton Melo dynasty being broken up.
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Damn. The East must be salivating at the thought of the Felton Melo dynasty being broken up.

They are a heavy weight combination that will surely be missed.
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I'd like to see Melo go to the Celtics so he can play with Fab Melo


(i don't know much about the latter but i'm sure it's safe to assume he's a more 'fab' version of the former)
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Dear God, please make the Houston Rockets lose their senses and do a sign and trade with NYK (Melo for Parsons/Lin/Asik) or let Bulls lose their senses and do a sign and trade (Gibson/Butler and a pick for Melo). Please God.

"Worse" case for the Knicks is they lose Melo and I put worse in quotes because it will actually allow them to see, for the first time since Melo has been here, what the other players can do, play team basketball and who is a part of the future. I feel pretty confident that they will do better than 37 wins next season, with or without Melo. Stats and Barganani are not the duds that the media will have you believe and Shump/Hardaway/Murray/Tyler are all solid young players. Not having Melo gives the team so many better options and these other teams are going silly over him (Good luck Houston if you get him. Not sure how 1 ball can work with Harden/Melo/Howard and not sure how long Howard stays happy playing defense for the whole team while Melo and Harden coast but....)

Looking at the draft, I feel bad for Cleveland. At this point they can't take Embiid. Parker and Wiggins are two guys that they really don't need, unless they are looking for trades and the only guys that can help them are lower picks which they are not going to take with the number 1 and they are probably not going to trade down for, which they should. All this leads to them making another bad pick. I'm thinking Parker, a guy that reminds me a lot of Billy Owens (not a compliment). He has the body and all the skills yet a guy that had weight problems in college and had weight problems going into the NBA workouts, the writing is pretty much on the wall. You'll probably squeeze out 1 or 2 good years from him and then its downhill from there.

Lastly, GSW looking to add Love by giving up Thompson/Lee and I think Barnes??? Have they lost their shit confused.gif
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Lastly, GSW looking to add Love by giving up Thompson/Lee and I think Barnes??? Have they lost their shit confused.gif

Klay/Lee for Love/Martin would be a fair swap tbh, wouldnt make them instant contenders so I am not sure it's worth it.
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Klay/Lee for Love/Martin would be a fair swap tbh, wouldnt make them instant contenders so I am not sure it's worth it.

I think statistically its fair but as you said, not only would it not make them contenders but I would posit that it would make them worse than last season's team. I don't watch GSW much but it doesn't seem that offense is their issue but rather defense so you don't gain anything on that front with Love and you lose defense by going from Thompson to Martin. Then there is the issue of Curry being used to playing (very well) with Thompson and now having to learn to play with Martin and thrusting all these changes on a new coach.

i hate this new paradigm that every team feels they need to have 2-3 superstars to win. The Heat led the way (at least recently) but they have only won 2 chips and it could just as easily be only 1 chip. And they have the best player currently playing the game, who's adjusted his game a lot to make himself and his team more successful. The thought that you can replicate that is a bit misguided. Its probably easier to replicate SA, yet few if anyone tries.
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^ Couldn't agree more. I was just reading an article earlier about that exact topic. Here is an excerpt:


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Depth matters in basketball, and unselfishness and teamwork and great coaching matter, too. This seems like it should be obvious, but sometimes smart basketball fans and analysts get blinded by superstars.

Some people want to make this series a referendum on LeBron James and his "legacy," whatever that means, but if you understood what you were watching, you know this series wasn't about James at all. He averaged 28.2 points, 7.8 rebounds and four assists, and his percentages (57 from the field, 52 from three, 79 from the free-throw line) were extraordinary. The Spurs whipped Miami anyway, just as they beat Kevin Durant's Thunder in the last series. Durant and James are the two best players in the world by almost any measure. But it's a team game, and the best team won.
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fair point

however if you get Love and Martin for Lee and Thompson you don't lose any depth
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

fair point

however if you get Love and Martin for Lee and Thompson you don't lose any depth

Yeah and what you lose with Martin vs. Thompson offensively you gain from Love vs. Lee but I just don't think you change a 50+ team win that drastically, particularly when its not really addressing anything. Teams need time to mold, to learn to play together. A new coach, 2 new starters, that's a lot of change. I'd rather give this team at least another year, fill out the bench better, bring in some defense with some small trades. Its like with Houston trying to get Melo. You'll average 125 points a game but you'll give up 135.
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i think coaches are super underrated. warriors should've done anything to get stan van gundy. would've improved their team to 55 to 60 wins just with the team they have. think of how far they got with bogut out and jermaine o'neal out at the end.
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i think coaches are super underrated.

I wonder if you plugged any of those well-known bball geeks (ala Zach Lowe) into a coaching job and see what results they could produce. Would be an interesting experiment foo.gif
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i feel like being a head coach is a much different job than just being an Xs and Os guy, but yeah i feel like zach lowe would be pretty good at being an assistant coach or something, but then again he might not like it. knowing a lot about art history doesn't necessarily make you a good artist although it probably helps
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

. I don't watch GSW much but it doesn't seem that offense is their issue but rather defense..

Clearly. I guess the reputation as a run and gun team was well earned and is hard to shake but the Dubs have been super solid on D for the last few years, and in fact it has been their offense that has faltered down the stretch. Statistically they were better on D and were one of the better teams at rebounding and defensive efficiency. They out rebounded the Clips in the playoffs.

Offensively they were much more stale and predictable and had trouble creating under pressure. Curry handled the ball way to much and they had no go to "easy" basket, particularly with Curry always handling the ball. Considering their offensive talent they really should have been more dynamic offensively then they were and that is one major reason Jackson was let go.

As for the trade, they don't plan on trading Klay. The offer was Lee and Barnes for Love. They might be willing to package Klay and Lee for Love and Martin, but people within the organization have been split on trading Klay and right now the deal is off the table. Maybe if Minn throws in their 1st rounder it will be back on.

Klay is good and has an upside but Love is a better player right now and is only one year older. THey would miss Klay on the derfesive side but if they could make the trade while dumping Lee and his contract they would without question be a better team. Curry, Barnes/Martin, Iggy, Love, Bogut, with Green, Eziel, and a decent back up PG sounds pretty sweet for a playoff rotation. They have that guy Crawford and Blake as well to add depth.
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