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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/ibakas-return-fuels-more-what-if-questions-about-james-harden/

read the article for deers, but that was essentially what i was arguing

So I guess that Harden was not willing to take any less then a max deal, contrary to what some have claimed.
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

So I guess that Harden was not willing to take any less then a max deal, contrary to what some have claimed.

when the trade happened he said he was willing to take less than max, but apparently not the deal they offered

i guess i was wrong about some parts
post #15918 of 27239
it's kind of funny how Grantland's hardon for the Harden (swidt) trade hasn't abated after all this time, but yes - it gets stupider and stupider. they lost him over $1.1m a year! (the difference between what he wanted and their last offer). which in hindsight, was a non factor with the way the cap has gone up over the last couple of years.
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its more like simmon's hard on for harden. zach lowe seems quite reasonable laying arguments for both sides
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hey are all absolutely right, btw. it's probably the worst trade I've seen in my life as a basketball fan. it's just that I've lost track of the number of articles they've written about the whole thing
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Simmons works harden into every single article he writes

I think zach also predicted green would be put on durant and Leonard on westbrook and it looks like that's what's happening right now
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Seattle Clippers has a certain ring to it.
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

that whole team is erratic. george, hibbert ... even west, whom i've always liked a lot. i keep wondering whether it's that they're a young team on the rise, which sometimes leads to situations they may not be experienced dealing with, or whether it's something deeper.


Other than David West, this team is mentally weak. In this respect, Danny Granger was a useful teammate. Perhaps there is no causation, but it was shortly after Granger left that they started to lose all those games. His dressing room value might have been much more than whatever he could contribute otherwise.

I think the young team on the rise doesn't apply here. George is in his 4th season, Hibbert 5, Hill 5, Scola 6, Stephenson 3. It's not exactly grizzled veterans, but that's enough to move past the idea they're young.
Edited by idfnl - 5/30/14 at 3:49am
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

So I guess that Harden was not willing to take any less then a max deal, contrary to what some have claimed.
i don't remember seeing that (unless indeserterum said it), so i dunno who claimed that.

but there is honestly no reason he should have taken less than the max. that's what makes the whole OKC fan backlash so stupid.

also lol at luis scola being in his 6th season, therefore not young
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Other than David West, this team is mentally weak. In this respect, Danny Granger was a useful teammate. Perhaps there is no causation, but it was shortly after Granger left that they started to lose all those games. His dressing room value might have been much more than whatever he could contribute otherwise.

I think the young team on the rise doesn't apply here. George is in his 4th season, Hibbert 5, Hill 5, Scola 6, Stephenson 3. It's not exactly grizzled veterans, but that's enough to move past the idea they're young.
mentally weak, yes. but also young, i think. maybe not in absolute nba terms, but in terms of a team pushing for a title. would be interesting to see a breakdown of a) average tenure of players on nba finals teams; and b) average number of trips to conference finals before they finally advance. my guess (based on nothing because i'm too lazy to do the numbers), would be the answer to a) would be more like 7-8 years while the answer to b) would be 2-3 times.
anybody have a lot of time on their hands?
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

mentally weak, yes. but also young, i think. maybe not in absolute nba terms, but in terms of a team pushing for a title. would be interesting to see a breakdown of a) average tenure of players on nba finals teams; and b) average number of trips to conference finals before they finally advance. my guess (based on nothing because i'm too lazy to do the numbers), would be the answer to a) would be more like 7-8 years while the answer to b) would be 2-3 times.
anybody have a lot of time on their hands?

I'm lazier than you so I ain't doing it, and my intern said no.

But... Kobes was in his 4th yr out of HS. I think Bill Russell was in his 2nd year, so were Kareem and Tony Parker. Magic Johnson was 21, I think Tim Duncan won one really early, maybe ever 21 as well. Now, these guys don't account for veteran guys around them.

The youngest average age of a modern championship team was '76 Portland @ 24.5... Bill Walton (24); Maurice Lucas (24); Lionel Hollins (23); Bobby Gross (23); Johnny Davis (21)

Funny, if you look at the hyper-aggressive pursuit of a "young core" in the league these days, you'd imagine it would be the key to a championship.
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f*cking interns. so hard to get good help these days.
I don't think we're arguing, really. I'm not saying that there aren't great young players who play on championship teams. But I do think there has to be a certain level of general maturity on the team to make the finals. It's a whole 'nother level of pressure and i don't know how many young players are built mentally to withstand it. Fish may not be contributing much stats wise on OKC, but I think he was key last year (this year, the rest have b een through it enough to carry on their own).
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The sheer randomness of this comment to an espn story (the comments following espn stories being an excellent place for randomness-mining) made me laugh:

Bonzi Wells has a better chance of playing next year than D Rose
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

f*cking interns. so hard to get good help these days.
I don't think we're arguing, really. I'm not saying that there aren't great young players who play on championship teams. But I do think there has to be a certain level of general maturity on the team to make the finals. It's a whole 'nother level of pressure and i don't know how many young players are built mentally to withstand it. Fish may not be contributing much stats wise on OKC, but I think he was key last year (this year, the rest have b een through it enough to carry on their own).

We're not. There are enough fact lovers here to put out the numbers you mention, from there we can argue.

Indiana, Portland, even LAC to a degree all have these up and coming core of young stars. Even though they're mentally weak, they've made it this far.
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Thread Starter 
More flopping fines for the Pacers, Stephenson with $10k and Hibbert with $5k. Didn't Vogel get fined a year or two ago for calling the Heat floppers? lol8[1].gif




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