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Yeah, when he was in OKC he played mainly back-up PG.

I even remember campaigning here for him to become the next Lakers PG.
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its a done deal, but it hurts imagining what could've been
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And say what you will about Hardens stats but most consider him the best SG in the league right now.

Most people are wrong. IMHO of course.
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I'm kind of curious who you'd rank above him outside of Wade who is clearly on the downslide of his career.
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lol westbrooke slam and put-back.
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lol8[1].gif Russys gon Russ!
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That 43-footer to end the first half made me shake my head even though it went in. Typical Russ...
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puhleeese no repeat of 2012.
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That 43-footer to end the first half made me shake my head even though it went in. Typical Russ...

what's wrong with that shot at that point of time?
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he had like two seconds more on the clock to get a better quality shot
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

They can't just not have a centre though
w/ westbrook harden durant and ibaka winning championships upon championships you can bet every vet center in the league would try to join em. plus they'd still have collison as well, who is phenomenal in limited minutes.
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they made offers to Harden, but obv they didn't offer him enough, not sure what was their final offer

anyway its a loss for okc, Id pick him over ibaka and sign vets and one way players to fill the roster.
I don't remember whether they officially made him an offer but i remember it was gonna be about 12 mil/year? when he is very very very clearly worth the max (~15). i think they're cheap, but i mean it's not UNFORGIVABLE given that they didn't know how good he was. but i really hate OKC fans that boo the shit out of harden and talk about a lack of loyalty. that makes zero sense.
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No way this would have worked, not sure why people keep thinking it would have. You're not going to end up with more then two max contracts on one team. Unless all four wanted to take a significant paycut the Thunder had to choose. In Miami the big three took less to play together, and they did not have an Ibaka to take into consideration. The Thunder realized they could only pay three guys at most, and even then not all three could be offered max contracts. They chose Ibaka, correctly I think.
The way it would work is that KD and Westbrook's contracts would have been maxed for 2012-13, but Ibaka and Harden's contracts didn't kick in until 2013-14. So if you max out Harden, you get another season of the Big 4 easily (2013 playoffs, where Westbrook hurt his knee). For this year, you amnesty Perk (8.5 mil), you don't have Lamb or Adams (2.1 mil each), and Harden is only making 13.7 mil. You get minimum salary players to fill it out, maybe you salary dump Sefolosha (3.9 mil). If you're above the luxury tax line, you're only above by a little.

Then starting next year, you're above by a few million more, but you're already making money hand over fist. Plus Collison's contract diminishes yearly. Either way, you get at least 2 more years of the Big 4 w/o making any difficult decisions, really. And who knows what'll change 2 years from signing. It's pretty much a misconception that they had to choose Ibaka OR Harden and couldn't afford to keep all 4 players at least for 2 years.

Btw Westbrook actually willingly took less money from OKC, which is kinda interesting. And the MIA guys each made ~14.5 mil their 1st season together, so not crazy amounts less. And they still had Mike Miller making 5, Haslem making 3.5, Joel Anthony making 3.3 (???).
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I really hate this lineup. Caron Butler and Derek Fisher? Get Collison in there.
Yea Scotty is just throwing the kitchen sink out there. Still have no idea why you have RW and KD who both dominate the ball and yet you spend a single possession of the game w/ both on the bench on purpose.
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Most people are wrong. IMHO of course.
Haha who are you gonna choose over Harden? Wade who misses 25 games a season? He is the only legitimate answer and even that is iffy. Harden is a phenomenal player with some obvious huge flaws. This kind of player (e.g. Westbrook) is a lot easier to armchair criticize than a player who is pretty good at everything, but just because he's more aggravating doesn't mean he's worse.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

he had like two seconds more on the clock to get a better quality shot
God I love Russ.

I don't think you can fault him for that...he already got a charge for trying to get closer in the 1st q, right? No shame in pulling up further away for an uncontested look.

edit: my bad, the charge was end of the 3rd. but that kinda illustrates how it's not always better to get a little bit closer, right? not like he's gonna be able to get to the rim, and westbrook is pretty terrible at hitting contested 3s in the first place.


Ibaka was soooo good today. Really gutty performance. Once I heard he was playing I didn't think SA had much of a chance, based on adrenaline and crowd response. Hopefully they can maintain that level of play next game when they don't get that rush again. I can totally believe Brooks had him still up in the game w/ 4 min left up 15 pts, and that is its own criticism of Brooks.
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

w/ westbrook harden durant and ibaka winning championships upon championships you can bet every vet center in the league would try to join em. plus they'd still have collison as well, who is phenomenal in limited minutes.
Yea Scotty is just throwing the kitchen sink out there. Still have no idea why you have RW and KD who both dominate the ball and yet you spend a single possession of the game w/ both on the bench on purpose.

I'm not an experienced enough viewer to know this, but would it really be that quality players would just drop their team because they see that OKC has a few good players? There are other teams in the league...

re: Caron and Fisher - I just don't get why he feels the need to use those guys at all when clearly blocking the paint and limiting Duncan et al close in was what seemed to be working. They should always have at least 2 of Ibaka, Perkins, Collison, Adams and Jones out there against the spurs. That frees up the snippy type defenders like like Westbrook to push out so there shouldn't be a long range barrage either.
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It wouldn't be REALLY good players. But mostly pretty good veteran players who are older and are chasing a last ring or two. Examples (whether successful or not) include Drexler on the 90s rockets, Gary Payton and Karl Malone on the last Kobe/Shaq Lakers teams...these are all hall of famers a couple of years pre-retirement who had a very big impact on their teams. If Malone had stayed healthy that last year, it's possible they might have beaten the Pistons in the finals.

Recently, the best examples are Shane Battier and Ray Allen on the Heat. Ilgauskas too, although that didn't work. Battier is/was an AMAZING fit for the Heat, like maybe the best non-star player they could have gotten. I don't know if they win titles w/o Battier. But he prob could have gotten $5 mil/yr, and he settled for 3. Ray Allen is a freaking HOF and a crazy fit on offense for MIA and he turned down 2 yr/$12 mil from BOS to sign for 3 yr/$10 mil with MIA!

A much smaller scale example is Caron Butler for the Thunder lol. Guy can still play, and would clearly have a big (offensive) impact on a shitty team. But he chose to join OKC for the minimum to chase that ring.

edit: this works better if you have a team owner willing to use the mid-level exception. This means that your team is over the cap (under the luxury tax line), but every year your team is allowed to sign one player for up to $5 mil/yr for like 3-4 years or so. So that's how you get the still good players who are willing to take a discount but not one that decreases their salary to full vet min levels (~2 mil, I think). But you need an owner willing to spend some more money, which OKC hasn't shown a willingness to do yet.
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True. Yeah Caron still has potential to have an impact with OKC, just not against the spurs. He'd be better against miami, IMO.
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