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if phil jackson was just patient he could've just coached this OKC team next year. it would've been the most "phil jackson-y" move evar.
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

if phil jackson was just patient he could've just coached this OKC team next year. it would've been the most "phil jackson-y" move evar.

It seemed like he had enough of flyover country with his tenure in Chicago, no? (oooooo burn!!!!!)

That is of course with the exception of his ranch retreat in Montana...
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loved that no-look pass. but my favorite assist of the evening was that pass ginobili whipped clear across court that hit Danny Green in perfect shooting position.
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^ beautiful. Manu, Manu, Manu, after that meltdown in game 6 and 7 of last years finals, followed by talk of retirement and ultimately conciliatory gesture by spurs offering a contract extension and now this gem of a postseason. Like batmanu says, it's always darkest before dawn
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I swear he bent that pass like a free kick

My favorite play of the game was Russy committing an offensive foul while shooting a 3 pointer lol8[1].gif
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Manu is wayyyy better this season. Statistically there's a small improvement but you can tell he looks sharper this year.
Last year when he was fumbling on the ball and dribbling it into his feet I really thought he was done
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

yeah that's what point guards do, it just happens Parker is among the best in all these skills

i respect your opinion but i would disagree. in my opinion by no metric is parker "best" in all these skills. he is a great player tho
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Originally Posted by kissmyjazz View Post

No way Westbrook is more talented than Parker. maybe you can argue that he is latently more talented but has not developed fully because he tends to make poor decisions, but I will argue that making good decisions is as much part of the talent as athletism.
Lol ok.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

i would even say top 3 players on okc are more talented than top 3 players on SAS, but i agree with everything else 100%. spurs bench is by far better and everybody knows their place in the system whereas okc doesn't even really have a system at least on offense.
You including Ibaka in that, I assume. Interesting.

Parker is a great PG but I think the team's ridiculous success overrates what he actually does on a nightly basis. At the same time, his numbers are underrated given that he could be playing a lot more and taking on a bigger burden. His value is somewhere in-between where advanced stats say it is and where his biggest advocates (best PG in the league!) say it is.

I really think teams should play Manu to pass a lot more...his vision is as good as ever; if you force him towards shooting is he really still going to have it all?

I think Scotty has some clear moves to make: no more Thabo (slow, reluctant, unreliable shot, hasn't been playing great on Parker), no more Perk (way too slow on D, nothing on O) whatsoever. Way more Adams, Collison, Jackson. Then you just gotta play small when they're out and take your chances on O-rebs. Honestly he should have developed Perry Jones and Lamb more and they could actually play a part. And what he really needs to do is get Durant and Westbrook to lock people down on D. They've been doing a poor job.

Even if all that shit works, they're still prob gonna lose. It's not Brooks' fault, but he ain't helping.

@LawrenceMD that gif is straight up AMAZING.
FUUUUUUUCK KEVIN DURRRAAAAAAANT
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You can't play Parker and Manu any further, they are old and injury prone. This is one of of many facets where Pop excels best, time management for his players and he doesn't care if he gets in trouble for it. If it wasn't for that, Parker, Manu and Timmy might be benched right now.
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

I think Scotty has some clear moves to make: no more Thabo (slow, reluctant, unreliable shot, hasn't been playing great on Parker), no more Perk (way too slow on D, nothing on O) whatsoever. Way more Adams, Collison, Jackson. Then you just gotta play small when they're out and take your chances on O-rebs. Honestly he should have developed Perry Jones and Lamb more and they could actually play a part. And what he really needs to do is get Durant and Westbrook to lock people down on D. They've been doing a poor job.

Even if all that shit works, they're still prob gonna lose. It's not Brooks' fault, but he ain't helping.

Perkins has been good IMO. He's done his job.

Thabo has been the stand-out disappointment (is that an oxymoron?). I suppose it's not really disappointing because he's been terrible all year, but he's literally offered nothing on offence or even defence. And then the guys that replace him are all extremely weak defensively.

The other issue is that Adams isn't experienced enough to play as the lone big. He needs someone else there, and the only other guy that could play with him is Collison. This then limits Collison's minutes as part of other lineups.
Edited by hendrix - 5/22/14 at 5:34pm
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Lol ok.
You including Ibaka in that, I assume. Interesting.

Parker is a great PG but I think the team's ridiculous success overrates what he actually does on a nightly basis. At the same time, his numbers are underrated given that he could be playing a lot more and taking on a bigger burden. His value is somewhere in-between where advanced stats say it is and where his biggest advocates (best PG in the league!) say it is.

I really think teams should play Manu to pass a lot more...his vision is as good as ever; if you force him towards shooting is he really still going to have it all?

I think Scotty has some clear moves to make: no more Thabo (slow, reluctant, unreliable shot, hasn't been playing great on Parker), no more Perk (way too slow on D, nothing on O) whatsoever. Way more Adams, Collison, Jackson. Then you just gotta play small when they're out and take your chances on O-rebs. Honestly he should have developed Perry Jones and Lamb more and they could actually play a part. And what he really needs to do is get Durant and Westbrook to lock people down on D. They've been doing a poor job.

Even if all that shit works, they're still prob gonna lose. It's not Brooks' fault, but he ain't helping.

@LawrenceMD that gif is straight up AMAZING.
FUUUUUUUCK KEVIN DURRRAAAAAAANT

yeah he should've played perry jones and lamb more in the regular season and really develop them and get their confidence up. would've paid dividends by now. they did the same thing last year too. if they had played the young'ns more they might had a better fighting chance last year when westbrook went down.

just don't learn from their mistakes

i do think ibaka is a better player than duncan. i think the best two players on the spurs right now are duncan and kawhi. kawhi is like an amalgam of everybody on the spurs. everything the spurs are good at they've instilled into kawhi. parker is good at what he does, but he's a defensive liability. works on okc cuz they can hide him away on a non threat.


okc does that pack the paint but scramble out to shooters things, which is kind of a zone, but sometimes they get too scared of parker and ginobili and pack the paint too much and don't rotate over to help the helper
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Lamb was getting a solid 20-25 min a game prior to the arrival of c.butler. Dude even showed enough promise to cause me to speculatively add him in our league ffffuuuu.gif

So much for veteran experience
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butler isn't even an improvement over lamb... dunno what brooks is thinking
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

You can't play Parker and Manu any further, they are old and injury prone. This is one of of many facets where Pop excels best, time management for his players and he doesn't care if he gets in trouble for it. If it wasn't for that, Parker, Manu and Timmy might be benched right now.
Yeah i know...it just doesn't help Parker's case for being the best PG in the league, since he doesn't dominate games as much.
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

Perkins has been good IMO. He's done his job.

Thabo has been the stand-out disappointment (is that an oxymoron?). I suppose it's not really disappointing because he's been terrible all year, but he's literally offered nothing on offence or even defence. And then the guys that replace him are all extremely weak defensively.

The other issue is that Adams isn't experienced enough to play as the lone big. He needs someone else there, and the only other guy that could play with him is Collison. This then limits Collison's minutes as part of other lineups.
Perkins was abysmal on D last night in the 1st half. Not really his fault, but he provides basically no impediment to Parker's driving whatsoever. Thabo has been really bad shooting the ball almost the whole year. A huuuuuge slump. Dude shot 42% from 3 last 2 years and he's at 32% this year. Really sucks, I like the guy. I don't think Adams can't play as the lone big. Sure he'll have rookie mistakes but I don't think that should be reason enough to limit that. Not like things can really get any worse.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

yeah he should've played perry jones and lamb more in the regular season and really develop them and get their confidence up. would've paid dividends by now. they did the same thing last year too. if they had played the young'ns more they might had a better fighting chance last year when westbrook went down.

just don't learn from their mistakes

i do think ibaka is a better player than duncan. i think the best two players on the spurs right now are duncan and kawhi. kawhi is like an amalgam of everybody on the spurs. everything the spurs are good at they've instilled into kawhi. parker is good at what he does, but he's a defensive liability. works on okc cuz they can hide him away on a non threat.


okc does that pack the paint but scramble out to shooters things, which is kind of a zone, but sometimes they get too scared of parker and ginobili and pack the paint too much and don't rotate over to help the helper
Sounds just like Brooks lol. Pop is the freaking master at this. Ibaka is prob better than Duncan overall...not sure per min, though. It's probably pretty close. Duncan was ridiculous this year, and carries a much greater burden on o. My comment on RW and KD on D was def oversimplified. Just meant that they both have the physical skills to absolutely shut down Parker and Leonard (or def Danny Green)...they just haven't been doing it whatsoever. It's not that simple of course, and it's not that easy.
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butler isn't even an improvement over lamb... dunno what brooks is thinking
Same deal as Fisher over Reggie Jackson, right???
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Hey fuck yourself
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