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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

On the Draymond foul, CP3 was already in the midst of losing the ball. No foul.

It was a foul, the NBA made a statement the day after iirc. I think the foul was on body contact which made him lose the ball too but the hit on the arm is in vein of the same rules as the Barnes/Jackson dilemma.


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I hate the Clippers due to all the flopping. It's painful to watch. At least they don't have Jeremy Evans anymore. Jesus a gust of wind could blow that go over.

When was Jeremy Evans in the Clips?
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Prob means the ol' sack tickler Reggie Evans.
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Prob means the ol' sack tickler Reggie Evans.

Oh yes, Reggie Evans is what I meant.
post #15484 of 27236
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Looks like Dubs are going after Hollins now.
post #15485 of 27236
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Looks like Dubs are going after Hollins now.

Noooo......?

Looks like a lateral move from MJ instead of an upgrade. Who knows. I won't judge until I see the product on the floor.
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I didn't watch last night's game, but I'm with Hendrix. If the refs miss a foul, and it goes out of bounds, the fouling team shouldn't be rewarded. .

I'm not sure if that's actually the point Hendrix was making, but he can speak for himself.

I understand the sentiment, but the position you're advocating is directly contrary to the existing rules. They're allowed to use the replay to determine who touched the ball last. They're not allowed to use it to "find" a foul that they missed in live action. (Of course, as people have pointed out elsewhere in this thread, it's almost the case that there's not a single possession in an NBA on which an argument couldn't be made that an uncalled foul occurred.) If you're saying that the refs should ignore the rules and do what's "fair" to balance out the missed foul, I have to disagree (unless there's a rule change that deals with the specific situation). Once you start trying to balance everything else you're into make-up calls (or non-calls), which is an endless and unworkable slippery slope.
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I'm not sure if that's actually the point Hendrix was making, but he can speak for himself.

I understand the sentiment, but the position you're advocating is directly contrary to the existing rules. They're allowed to use the replay to determine who touched the ball last. They're not allowed to use it to "find" a foul that they missed in live action. (Of course, as people have pointed out elsewhere in this thread, it's almost the case that there's not a single possession in an NBA on which an argument couldn't be made that an uncalled foul occurred.) If you're saying that the refs should ignore the rules and do what's "fair" to balance out the missed foul, I have to disagree (unless there's a rule change that deals with the specific situation). Once you start trying to balance everything else you're into make-up calls (or non-calls), which is an endless and unworkable slippery slope.

I know it's contrary to the rules. Something's gotta change. Should we allow fouls to be reviewable? I find it aggravating that only possession is only reviewable in the last 2 minutes, as if a possession at any other time is not as important. Or you get these odd situations where there's clearly a foul, but the refs miss it, and the fouling team is rewarded.

Too many reviews makes long games even longer. Should we add more refs? What's a practical solution?
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Again stop being such a damn sore loser, if that happened to the Spurs or any other team that didn't beat your Dubs then you wouldn't even give a shit. As much as you blame the Clips and post "wahhh" every time CP3 flops, you don't even realize you whine and bitch more than them.

Lol, 5,000 words from you about ONE play and I'm the whiner? I'm pretty sure when it happened (paul on Curry) I said something like "fuck fuck, that was a foul, stupid Clips" and that's it.

Look, the Clips are known as a team of whiners. I've read several articles about it in the past week or so. The announcers even mentioned that as the thought the calls were going against them they were letting it dominate their game. They even called Blake out on it specifically. One piece I read mentioned that a major issue that Doc Rivers wanted to address when he came in was how much complaining his team did after calls- or non-calls- went against them. paul is known as a flopper and a dirty player. These are not things I made up or am alone in thinking.
All this makes it extra funny how worked up your getting over the correct call going against the Clips. Here is a quote from Grantland on the subject:

"When he flopped into Russell Westbrook for the intentional foul, there was no call and he lost the ball. . . . and CP3’s trademark sneaky hit on the elbow gave Russ three free throws to take the lead. It was the exact same move that didn’t get called in Golden State. Then at the end, with one last chance, Paul dribbled into the lane, got hit on the wrist by Reggie Jackson, and the ball bobbled out of bounds without his ever getting a shot off.

It was like karma finally caught up with him all at once."
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Foul shouldn't be reviewable outside of flagrants and techs they have implemented now, too many fouls for there to be replayed and really you kind of take away the refs out of the game with that not to mention just having very long and tedious games.

Out of bounds plays is just a simple replay that tells you who touched the ball last so I think it works for that purpose and controversy didn't really happen til last night, at least to my recollection. Most of those out of bounds calls are on point too so it does work fine.

Outside of a central officiating that reviews all out of bounds replays to speed up time, I am not sure what other solution there is but I don't think regular fouls should be reviewable because then what is next, reviewable no-call fouls? Then you'd have to review the contacts in the paint too like holding and such that most refs miss.
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I know it's contrary to the rules. Something's gotta change. Should we allow fouls to be reviewable? I find it aggravating that only possession is only reviewable in the last 2 minutes, as if a possession at any other time is not as important. Or you get these odd situations where there's clearly a foul, but the refs miss it, and the fouling team is rewarded.

Too many reviews makes long games even longer. Should we add more refs? What's a practical solution?

All good points. I lean toward fewer reviews. Perfection is an illusory goal, and in basketball more than many other sports, the delay is a buzzkill.

I probably wouldn't change very much. There's no obvious dividing line between reviewing nothing (which probably isn't a viable choice, if only from a popularity viewpoint) and reviewing every damn thing. And even when things are reviewed, refs/umps sometimes still get things inexplicably wrong. Then you have the whole issue of judgment -- what is "incidental contact", whether the player initiating contact has or has not gained an advantage, etc.

I don't really agree that possession in the last two minutes are identical to possessions at other points in the game (apologies if I'm reading more into your statement than is really there). Of course two points scored in the middle of the second quarter count exactly the same as two points scored with three seconds left in double overtime, and in that sense the possessions that produce the opportunities to score those points are fungible. But the reality is that games go through swings, and while in theory every player should be 100% focused on every play, it doesn't entirely work that way -- especially in a sport like basketball, where one score or scoring chance means a lot less in the aggregate than it does in, say, soccer. Players and teams take possessions off, and are content not to worry about who is one point up or one point down until crunch time.

And aside from that point, it's still the case that the intensity of the play -- and the fan interest -- is different in late-game situations. Blown calls feel more important and more unfair at that point (if only because of their immediacy). Moreover, if it's truly in the last seconds, there's no opportunity for the "wronged" team to overcome the setback, as would be the case earlier in the game. So in that sense alone, a bad call can be not just important to, but conclusive of the outcome. This is sort of the same point, but keep in mind also that late-game possession changes are among the most likely calls to be characterized by sportscasters and perceived by fans as determinative and unfair. In a league where most decisions are ultimately marketing decisions as much as anything, that's going to cut heavily in favor of a late-game, possession-focused bias in the use of replays.
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Word is Steve Kerr to the warriors.

5years/25mil
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Originally Posted by skitlets View Post

On the Draymond foul, CP3 was already in the midst of losing the ball. No foul.

I didn't watch last night's game, but I'm with Hendrix. If the refs miss a foul, and it goes out of bounds, the fouling team shouldn't be rewarded.
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I'm not sure if that's actually the point Hendrix was making, but he can speak for himself.
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Yeah, I think it's bad policy to go back on fouls, and if I were the manager of the referees I'd be telling them that they screwed up.
I'm just saying that it's not an injustice because the right outcome occurred, it was just for the wrong reasons.

They need to have a dedicated TV ref where the on-court referees ask him specifically what they want to check, and he's only allowed to answer that specific question.
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Lol, 5,000 words from you about ONE play and I'm the whiner? I'm pretty sure when it happened (paul on Curry) I said something like "fuck fuck, that was a foul, stupid Clips" and that's it.

Look, the Clips are known as a team of whiners. I've read several articles about it in the past week or so. The announcers even mentioned that as the thought the calls were going against them they were letting it dominate their game. They even called Blake out on it specifically. One piece I read mentioned that a major issue that Doc Rivers wanted to address when he came in was how much complaining his team did after calls- or non-calls- went against them. paul is known as a flopper and a dirty player. These are not things I made up or am alone in thinking.
All this makes it extra funny how worked up your getting over the correct call going against the Clips. Here is a quote from Grantland on the subject:

"When he flopped into Russell Westbrook for the intentional foul, there was no call and he lost the ball. . . . and CP3’s trademark sneaky hit on the elbow gave Russ three free throws to take the lead. It was the exact same move that didn’t get called in Golden State. Then at the end, with one last chance, Paul dribbled into the lane, got hit on the wrist by Reggie Jackson, and the ball bobbled out of bounds without his ever getting a shot off.

It was like karma finally caught up with him all at once."



Umm it's my first major complaint the post-season (not including the Russy discussion because there really wasn't a complain there) and it's a big issue and I think it's valid. Again this is the first time it's been called a controversy because it's an obvious call. I mean if you can't see the gravity of that one call on that game on a team you are cheering for then I don't know what to tell you.

And I did initially posted what, 4 sentences (and only two were about the bad call?) and others replied. You posted you're piece and no one replied or disagreed so how are you comparing the length of my posts to yours? AGain it is obviously a big deal, it is everywhere. That missed call on Curry got a slight discussion in places but they knew there was nothing that could be done with a missed foul call but on a review that was obvious to everyone, then people will make a bigger deal.


But you, you kept posting "wahhhh" and calling CP3 a bitch every chance you get when something doesn't go the Dubs way or Clips gets a call or a flop, which no one is even arguing against and no one tried to disprove you including myself. Did you notice no one bothered to respond to it because you were just taking away from the great series? I mean you don;t think a guy who watched practically all of the Clips games the past few season doesn't know that?

Hell I've been bitching about CP3s flopping since he was with the Hornets, I've said it millions of times that CP3 is also great at working the ref and that's why he doesn't get techs the way he yell at them. I continuously berated Fisher and helmed him king of the floppers when he was with the Lakers. I kept calling Kobe a ballhog and I'm a big Kobe, the Lakers were/are stupid for playing Kobe ball and I'm a Lakers fan so I am not beyond criticizing and pointing out what is wrong with the teams I am cheering for, hell I am probably most critical about them. I hated the hiring of Mike Brown, was real iffy with D'Antoni, etc....

So I don't really know why you are babblng and keep bringing it up when no one is even calling BS on what you were posting about flopping, you just sound like a sore loser because the "floppers" beat your team. At the end of the day, flops are part of the game, Ginobili flops as much as CP3 but the Spur doesn't get called out on it and I wish NBAs flopping fines were more of a threat but sadly it isn't. The flops isn't what caused the Dubs to lose though, just accept it. The same way the Clips lost that game last night but that one single call could change the whole series.

I also mentioned that the blame on that game was on CP3 and his stupid flopping-to-take-a-3-when-going-to-get-fouled-so-he-shoots-3-free-throws-crap, it just got overlooked because that replay/review was questionable.
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lol8[1].gif so now we're moving onto complaining about complaining about complaining?
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Word is Steve Kerr to the warriors.

5years/25mil

wtf

ffffuuuu.gif somebody please help the knicks
post #15495 of 27236
Steph Curry + Steve Kerr = Stevph Kerry. Match made in heaven.
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