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post #15436 of 27247
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You aren't getting it, you don't award the foul just because you missed it. That's not how it works.

It is a robbery because give the ball to the Clips and they win, simple as that. Follow the rules and they win.

Again the foul wasn't in question, that's not reviewable just like the foul on Curry by CP3. They lose, simple as that. The out of bounds was reviewable and should have been Clips ball. You don't go against the rules just to make up for your missed call, that is the issue.

If you don't understand this then I don't know what to tell you. You keep saying to give the ball to OKC because the foul wasn't called even though the Clips deserved the ball, which is just not how it works by the rules. You don't just give them the ball just because of principle. Foul calls are missed all the time but for out of bounds plays, they have replay for this exact reason and they have it in the last 2 min of the game only so that they get the right call on OUT OF BOUNDS PLAYS, NOT FOULS.
post #15437 of 27247
No, you're not getting it. I've already said like 3 times that I know it's not in the rules to re-check that foul.
Why do you think it's ok to make a mistake by missing a foul, but it's not ok to make a mistake on an out of bounds call?

If you're going to moan about one umpiring error then others get to moan about other errors; it doesn't matter whether it's a replayed error or a live error; it's still an error.
post #15438 of 27247
Crap. I guess I missed another instant classic.

With the caveat that I didn't see the play, I sort of agree that the end justifies the means here. Right team gets the ball in the end, which is the right outcome and the refs don't end up completely tilting the game. Not arguing that the rules weren't flaunted, though.


Stockton to possibly coach the Jazz? Yes please
post #15439 of 27247
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by hendrix View Post

No, you're not getting it. I've already said like 3 times that I know it's not in the rules to re-check that foul.
Why do you think it's ok to make a mistake by missing a foul, but it's not ok to make a mistake on an out of bounds call?

Because fouls can't be reversed and replayed while out of bounds plays are replayable and reversible so yeah the replays point was not to make that mistake. With a foul, once it's a missed foul it's missed and nothing else could be done. That's what makes it a damn robbery, it was too obvious, the announcers knew it, the media knew it and hell even the audience in attendance knew it and was shocked there for a second because everyone saw on the reply in the giant screen in the arena that Jackson touched it last.


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If you're going to moan about one umpiring error then others get to moan about other errors; it doesn't matter whether it's a replayed error or a live error; it's still an error.

It's not an error on the refs part, they awarded the ball to OKC. The replay wasn't even inconclusive, it was too obvious. They always talk about the trajectory of the ball and you can clearly see Jackson pushed that ball forward while Barnes smack on the wrist was going downwards.
post #15440 of 27247
You're saying the same thing over and over. I already understand that fouls can't be replayed and reversed.

rule 1:
if a player commits a foul, a foul is called and possession or free throws are awarded...right?
rule 2:
if a player touches the ball and it goes out of bounds, possession is awarded to the other team...right?
rule 3:
fouls can't be reversed and replayed, but out of bounds plays are replayable and reversible...right?


The refs got ALL THREE of these calls wrong. And yet you seem to think that rule 3 being wrong is the only thing that matters. And that somehow makes it a robbery even though it's in the context of the previous mistake, rule 1.

They fucked up, but that doesn't make it a robbery.
post #15441 of 27247
the bad call, it was off reggie jackson wether fouled or not, was still the result of the cumbersome manner to which the officials have to make these end of game reviews.

you have to follow the NHL model and have outside people reviewing the call at all angles (i think they have like 5 guys simultaneously on many large HD monitors in a central location outside distractions of fans in the stadium in NYC) . That way you have a more detached system with people who can really just follow the rules to the letter of the law and hand down a decision quickly (i think its phoned in in less than 45 seconds).

that way its not up to the on court refs, who probably have ran 5miles of distance on the court, with the adrenaline of 30 players, coaches and staff, and 18,000 fans screaming at you while you fumble around on one damn 20inch digital monitor.

MLB umps have adopted the system, because it was just as cumbersome for them running off the field to monitors then running back on with the decision.

adopting the NHL system would then speed up the game, and since there's usually only one or two games on simultaneously during the playoffs there's less pressure workload wise.
post #15442 of 27247
That nhl system makes the most sense. Add more exceptions for replays and soon we'll have five hour games. Only way to counter that is have more eyes
post #15443 of 27247
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

That nhl system makes the most sense. Add more exceptions for replays and soon we'll have five hour games. Only way to counter that is have more eyes

NHL games have three 20min periods (60min total game time), two 20min period breaks, and commercials at the stop of action (for zamboni ice smoothing) and still finish in less than 2.5 hours.

but NBA games, especially playoff games are hitting the 4 hour mark when they play only 48min of game time and one 20min half.

NHL even uses centralized reviews for every questionable goal call throughout the whole game (not just in end of game situations). The system works great because it diffuses stress on the game refs and fans.

questionable field goals, out of bounds calls, three point shots, clear path fouls, and flagrant foul calls could be done centrally and be called in within 45seconds and that is that.

the flagrant foul calls are what really needs to be centralized, it would be interesting if they'd could somehow cut down on flopping using this method.
post #15444 of 27247
larry for NBA commissioner
post #15445 of 27247
Lawrence, in regards to the NHL system, do these "overseers" have the authority to negate a call made on the floor (ice?) if it is clearly the wrong call? How involved do they get is basically what I'm getting at.
post #15446 of 27247
^im curious too. do the refs on the floor have veto power? is it a majority decision?
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The Wizards are probably done, but the euphoria over their spirited playoff mini run is justified. Before two weeks ago, the Wiz had won just one playoff series since 1981-82. Think about how incompetent a franchise must be to poop out such a run in a league where half the teams make the postseason. Even Donald Sterling is kind of impressed.

http://grantland.com/features/the-washington-school-of-witchcraft-and-wizardry/

i laughed
post #15447 of 27247
All this RFX whining about the call is reminiscent of:

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There are 50 bad calls in every game, 30 of those are uncalled travels, the rest is a mix of minor/incidental contact or the Chris Paul overreact at every touch effect, along with star treatment. The game is too fast to be refereed accurately.
post #15448 of 27247
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

All this RFX whining about the call is reminiscent of:

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There are 50 bad calls in every game, 30 of those are uncalled travels, the rest is a mix of minor/incidental contact or the Chris Paul overreact at every touch effect, along with star treatment. The game is too fast to be refereed accurately.

There's a lot of truth in your last statement. But most of those missed or blown calls occur in situations where there is no video review. What I think many people find puzzling here is that this one was reviewed, extensively, and the refs still came to a conclusion that differs from what most people think is the obviously correct call. The difficulty of flawlessly refereeing such a fast game is kind of irrelevant when the refs are making judgments based on multiple reviews of a slow-motion replay.
post #15449 of 27247
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

You aren't getting it, you don't award the foul just because you missed it. That's not how it works.

It is a robbery because give the ball to the Clips and they win, simple as that. Follow the rules and they win.

Again the foul wasn't in question, that's not reviewable just like the foul on Curry by CP3.

Acccording to Stu Jackson, they did follow the rules. They just did not give the proper explanation to the coaches. So rules were followed properly, don't be salty b/c the on air explanation was lacking.


Also, Karma's a bitch, fuck CP3, dudes the dirtiest player in the league, if a poor call goes against the Clips its just the universe righting itself.
post #15450 of 27247
Thread Starter 
Don't be mad just because your Dubs got beat, that's just sour grapes in your part. Stop being a damn sore loser. I let you talk and talk and cry about the Clips crying until it was the Dubs who lost and cried all the way home.

And no they didn't follow the rules because they found the replays "inconclusive" and that is almost impossible as almost everyone could see it was out on Jackson.


I am not even going to answer the idiotic reply by idfnl because it is pointless to argue without the person who knows least about basketball in the thread and as stated, it is only a big deal because the ruling was so obvious in the replay.
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