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post #15316 of 27206
i really like leonard, but i think it's one of those situations where you get the ideal fit of talent and work ethic and system. in a way -- and this is a stretch, admittedly -- he's a bit like a younger duncan, who wasn't physically dominant or overly gifted at his position in the way of a howard or a shaq or a nowitzki (depending on whether he's playing 5 or 4), but is a great athlete and so fundamentally sound that he fits into a highly structured system perfectly.
post #15317 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Neo_Version 7 View Post

Where do you guys rank Kawhi Leonard among the best players in the league? Dude is so efficient but sometimes I'm not sure if it's a product of the system or he really is that talented

this is how imagine Kawhi's face right after he just signed a max contract extension or hit the game winning shot of the NBA finals:

post #15318 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

I think Kawhi is better as a wingman and not much else. I think he can be a star in a losing team but not necessarily that teams franchise player. I see him in similar vein as Ariza but maybe with a bit more upside? He works better on a good system than being that iso star like Lebron, Melo, Wade, etc...
I like Ariza as a comp a lot. Maybe more efficient? But he's never had to take on a huge role. Also he'll prob end up w/ more of a post game.
post #15319 of 27206
^^ He doesn't come with an emotion chip which makes him even more awesome
post #15320 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

I like Ariza as a comp a lot. Maybe more efficient? But he's never had to take on a huge role. Also he'll prob end up w/ more of a post game.

if you're old enough, my comparison player is Reggie Lewis.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lewisre01.html

their career arcs are quite similar. underrated college careers, slow progression and revamping/refining their game as rookies. Learning from true HOF veterans. Very very humble and quiet almost to a detriment - but coupled with steely determination to work on their game. also they were both two way players with length and had the eerie ability to score very "quiet 25pts" any given night.

here's a grant land article about the spurs "shot doctor" - who actually rebuilt the jumpshots of parker, leonard, and even binanelli

http://grantland.com/features/the-shot-doctor/

leonard had to relearn how to shoot entirely. but he did it to great results. he's on his way to becoming a franchise player.
post #15321 of 27206
So thats what indesertum look like
post #15322 of 27206
Never watched Reggie Lewis, but Lewis scored 20 ppg for his entire career...Leonard's never reached 16 pp36. That's trending upwards, but I seriously doubt he'll ever develop the handle and dribbling trickiness to increase his FTs that much and to get his own shot that much. Does he have the athleticism for that either? That shifty quickness? Legit question, I don't know his game well enough. But I feel like it may be moot; he doesn't seem like the type of player to have the aggression to hunt for his own shot to get 20 ppg.

edit: I did read the shot doctor article. it was pretty nice. but it's one thing to rebuild a set shot; it's another to give a player the off the bounce game necessary to be a franchise offensive player.
post #15323 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

I like Ariza as a comp a lot. Maybe more efficient? But he's never had to take on a huge role. Also he'll prob end up w/ more of a post game.

Ariza actually had to take a huge role in Houston, I remember him having to pick up his production there. He is doing as well in Washington right now too, he is key to them moving forward in the post season, he's been huge. He was also key tot he Lakers championship, hit key 3s and defensive stops, I remember that steal against Denver that won them the series.

Just imagine if he was in Pops system, dude could probably be more productive.
post #15324 of 27206
yeah, i always liked ariza and thought he was under-appreciated. but that's the nba in a way -- dude gets good and then he wants to get paid for it. and if you're already over-committed ...
post #15325 of 27206
i like imagining kevin durant in pops system.

that would be drool.gif

kawhi is super athletic. his free throws are pretty decent too (unless FT means something else). he shot 80% for the year. he's fun to watch
post #15326 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Ariza actually had to take a huge role in Houston, I remember him having to pick up his production there. He is doing as well in Washington right now too, he is key to them moving forward in the post season, he's been huge. He was also key tot he Lakers championship, hit key 3s and defensive stops, I remember that steal against Denver that won them the series.

Just imagine if he was in Pops system, dude could probably be more productive.
No i meant Kawhi's never had to take a huge role. Ariza did in HOU and NO, and his efficiency plummeted because of it. He's been ridiculous this year, in large part due to not having to handle the ball almost ever.
post #15327 of 27206
i haven't watched the spurs as often as i'd have liked this year. but leonard never strikes me as much of a shot-creator. he's terrific at taking advantage of the opportunities that come in the offense, but for that thing when there's 5 seconds left and you need someone to bail you, not so much. and i guess as much as anything else, that would be my definition of a franchise player.
post #15328 of 27206
On a Spurs note, kudos to Ginoboli for reawakening this season. Actually, kudos to the Spurs coaching and training staff for keeping those guys healthy and well rested.
post #15329 of 27206
Re Kawhi:

The big 3 is now a big 4. Most of the major advertising down here now includes Leonard.
post #15330 of 27206

Just looking at the box score of that Wizards-Pacers game is disgusting...

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