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post #14521 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

CLips doesn't really need a Lebron stopper though, they have a pretty good suffocating defense and the biggest improvement they've made this year are the switches. Yeah they still get caught slacking at times but if you watch their defense, they will double or confine a player and the guy that rolls to the basket gets picked up by the other and another one switches to that dudes assignment and the guy who doubled before can quickly move to whoevers open at the time, really impressive how they managed to get to work Docs system and to work it that well.
i thought that was the key last night. they came out really aggressive on the doubles, rotated well on the switches and GS was just thrown completely out of their offense. curry, who is about as good a pure jumpshooter as i can remember, was 1-7 in the first half. how many TOs in that first half?
and their bench, if its in shape and on, may be the deepest in the league -- crawford, collison, granger, dudley, turkoglu and, yes, big baby. that's a helluva lineup.
post #14522 of 27206
Ya'll are on the Clips bandwagon awful damn fast. One win does not a series clinch. During the pregame radio program local broadcaster and ex Warrior (and Clipper) Tom Tolbert was even saying how he thought that the Dubs might get run off the court that night , as that is often the pattern after when the home team gets beat the night before.

The Warriors will win at least two more games, and if the Clips are able to get past them Mem, OKC, PDX, and SA can all beat them. I doubt very much that they make it out of the second round, if they even get there.

Smart money is still on the well oiled machine of the Spurs to come out of the West.

Re the Knicks: I've actually come to kind of like them but I have a feeling that the Jackson experiment will not end well. I doubt that Dolan will be able to keep his fingers of the roster and they're hamstrung by past mistakes anyway. I think Jackson will need to be a presence in the building to enforce his will and it does not seem like that is his plan. Who knows though, maybe his competitive urges will get the better of him.
post #14523 of 27206
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Ya'll are on the Clips bandwagon awful damn fast. One win does not a series clinch. During the pregame radio program local broadcaster and ex Warrior (and Clipper) Tom Tolbert was even saying how he thought that the Dubs might get run off the court that night , as that is often the pattern after when the home team gets beat the night before.

The Warriors will win at least two more games, and if the Clips are able to get past them Mem, OKC, PDX, and SA can all beat them. I doubt very much that they make it out of the second round, if they even get there.

Smart money is still on the well oiled machine of the Spurs to come out of the West.

Re the Knicks: I've actually come to kind of like them but I have a feeling that the Jackson experiment will not end well. I doubt that Dolan will be able to keep his fingers of the roster and they're hamstrung by past mistakes anyway. I think Jackson will need to be a presence in the building to enforce his will and it does not seem like that is his plan. Who knows though, maybe his competitive urges will get the better of him.

Yeah, the Clips still have to figure out how to contain Iron Man Bogut. Oh wait . . .
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post #14524 of 27206
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Ya'll are on the Clips bandwagon awful damn fast. One win does not a series clinch. During the pregame radio program local broadcaster and ex Warrior (and Clipper) Tom Tolbert was even saying how he thought that the Dubs might get run off the court that night , as that is often the pattern after when the home team gets beat the night before.

The Warriors will win at least two more games, and if the Clips are able to get past them Mem, OKC, PDX, and SA can all beat them. I doubt very much that they make it out of the second round, if they even get there.

Smart money is still on the well oiled machine of the Spurs to come out of the West.
don't disagree with any of this. i was talking about potential. and, if someone has the google-fu to do it, i think you'll find that i was saying the same thing before the season began when they started picking up those players.
post #14525 of 27206
Sadly, as is too often the case, it might really come down to the whistle. Steph Curry gets mugged and never gets calls, its been a season long issue. He shoots far less free throws than you would expect for the amount of shots he takes. Same with Klay. And everyone of Blake's drives could easily be an offensive foul or a defensive one, there is almost always some contact sort, it jsut depends how the refs call it.

And on the subject, I think that midway through the 3rd quarter of the Heat/Cats game, the announcers said the Heat had only been called for like 7 fouls. The whole damn team. It's shit like that that really ruins the game for me and has to be insanely frustrating for the players.
post #14526 of 27206
We keep rehashing this - if you want to get fouls, you've got to drive to the hoop or have good post play. Charlotte went away from big Al because he was hobbled, and they started taking jump shots. In the fourth quarter Kemba started putting his head down and getting to the basket and poof! He started getting to the line.

That doesn't necessarily explain why Steph does or doesn't get his fair share of fouls - i defer to people who watch more warriors games to say whether he does all the right things to get to the line more. But you've got to put the onus on the refs to make the call
post #14527 of 27206
One person mentioned that it is partly because Curry does not yell everytime he drives, contact or no. He mentioned that certain players don't, Kobe being a notable example, and end up with far less fouls then the howling bitchface brigade e.g. Durant, LeBron, Harding, ect.

Curry and Klay both drive, Klay a lot, and they don't get calls. Steph also heaves up a lot of shots and almost never gets those phantom wrist calls. I honestly don't mind, just so long as it is consistent both ways and with all players.
post #14528 of 27206
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

, just so long as it is consistent both ways and with all players.

That would be nice, wouldn't it?
post #14529 of 27206
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That would be nice, wouldn't it?

Of course, then what would delusional fans have to blame their teams losses on if not the refs.
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Sadly, as is too often the case, it might really come down to the whistle. Steph Curry gets mugged and never gets calls, its been a season long issue. He shoots far less free throws than you would expect for the amount of shots he takes. Same with Klay. And everyone of Blake's drives could easily be an offensive foul or a defensive one, there is almost always some contact sort, it jsut depends how the refs call it.


Stop hating on Blake so much, you guys have got to be damn blind to think he hasn't improved and that he doesn't earn those calls. Dude was on foul trouble in the first game and most of those were touch fouls, he played 17m before fouling out iirc. So you can't say dude doesn't get calls, dude also got suspended for too much techs already so he isn't always in refs favors, dude gets hit and gets hit hard, he is in the same position as Shaq and Dwight, Blake just happen to actually improve his ft% to ~70s so it has become more a weapon fo rhim but dude gets beat up, no way Curry takes the same beating when he drives. It's very difficult to call offensive on Blake or on anyone really unless he barrels down the defender with his shoulder and the defender falls, the defensive player will almost always get the call if they are the one slapping the ball off of the player hand.

Steph is mainly a jump shooter and when he drives, he tends to avoid contact by doing a really high arching finger roll or a tear drop, he tries to avoid contact when he can. So obviously who would get more calls? The guy who pounds the ball int he paint and score majority of his points there or the guy who takes more than half of his shots outside? I mean look at how Harden drives, he uses his body and actually jumps to the opponents, Curry tends to jump away or to the side. Hell look at how CP3 plays, when he drives he just jumps on the guy and it's almost always 50/50 to get a call and he is shooting about 5 free throws a game just like Curry but he get bodied much more than Curry.
post #14531 of 27206

before the playoffs I got the series at 4-3... warriors,

other upsets I thought would happen were Blazers, Wizards and Nets winning the series.

So far all took the game one :) But tbh all of them are wide open, maybe besides Nets series. I'm quite sure even if the

Raps gonna take a lead in the series they will fold under pressure, too many young players, not enough exp

post #14532 of 27206
the whole blaming the ref thing is pointless. until it isn't. how do you all feel about the NBA's new policy of announcing when they've blown a call? there were two of them this weekend -- CP3 getting rammed and losing the ball out of bounds (down 2, with the ball, instead of a chance to tie, giving GS a chance to ice), and the Dwight Howard call when he was tackled while going for a rebound, but got called, giving the Blazers a couple key free throws.
in both cases, the league announced they were wrong, and in both cases, the mistakes very plausibly made the difference in close games. In some ways, I'd just as soon not now that they blew the call. in other ways, i'm all for transparency. is going to the replay for fouls as well as time and possession an answer?
post #14533 of 27206
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the whole blaming the ref thing is pointless. until it isn't. how do you all feel about the NBA's new policy of announcing when they've blown a call? there were two of them this weekend -- CP3 getting rammed and losing the ball out of bounds (down 2, with the ball, instead of a chance to tie, giving GS a chance to ice), and the Dwight Howard call when he was tackled while going for a rebound, but got called, giving the Blazers a couple key free throws.
in both cases, the league announced they were wrong, and in both cases, the mistakes very plausibly made the difference in close games. In some ways, I'd just as soon not now that they blew the call. in other ways, i'm all for transparency. is going to the replay for fouls as well as time and possession an answer?

 

maybe replay on demand for coaches that would include fouls

 

Anyway what you said is taking one situation out of ball game, for example fouls no4 and no5 on Iggy were both questionable and you don't bring that up. It usually equals out for both sides during the game.

post #14534 of 27206
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

the whole blaming the ref thing is pointless. until it isn't. how do you all feel about the NBA's new policy of announcing when they've blown a call? there were two of them this weekend -- CP3 getting rammed and losing the ball out of bounds (down 2, with the ball, instead of a chance to tie, giving GS a chance to ice), and the Dwight Howard call when he was tackled while going for a rebound, but got called, giving the Blazers a couple key free throws.
in both cases, the league announced they were wrong, and in both cases, the mistakes very plausibly made the difference in close games. In some ways, I'd just as soon not now that they blew the call. in other ways, i'm all for transparency. is going to the replay for fouls as well as time and possession an answer?


While I get the transparency thing, my gut reaction is the same as yours (if I understand you correctly). If there's no remedy, I'm not sure what the point is. Are there criteria for what sorts of calls they'll do a feel-good review of? There are blown calls in every game. Some are obvious, some are more gray. Some involve perception (did the ball bounce off the defender's leg before going out of bounds?), some are more interpretative (block/charge calls). Some seem really consequential, some seem pretty meaningless. (It also ignores the whole issue NorCal and HRoi have been discussing -- assuming that contact occurred that theoretically could justify a call, did the refs call it the same way for player x that they would have for player y?)

I do think that when a ref or ump actually gets the applicable rule wrong, the league should identify the error and clarify what the correct interpretation is.

Going to the replay for fouls seems pretty disruptive. Maybe an NFL-style limited number of challenges?
post #14535 of 27206
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

maybe replay on demand for coaches that would include fouls

Anyway what you said is taking one situation out of ball game, for example fouls no4 and no5 on Iggy were both questionable and you don't bring that up. It usually equals out for both sides during the game.

I agree that over a large enough sample size bad calls are going to be evenly distributed, at least roughly speaking. But I think saying that it usually equals out is an easy platitude that doesn't comport with reality. Yes, we all watch with biased eyes. But I think most or all of us have seen many games where the impact of bad calls didn't even out, but in fact weighed heavily in favor of one team or the other. And even if that's a relatively rare occurrence, might it not still be worth having a mechanism to try to mitigate it, given that it's so unfair and disruptive when it does occur?
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