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post #1411 of 27206
Suns won last night! Now back to .500!!! Look at Blazers!!!




*who am i kidding, please tank rest of season Suns and rebuild....*
post #1412 of 27206
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Originally Posted by Walking Man View Post
I think it has to do more about him flopping all over the place. Being a Laker fan I don't like any of them but Rondo is the one I don't like the least.

i love to watch him play offense (except against the lakers). but he is such a little punk. my memory is a little vague ... 2 years ago? in the playoffs? against Chicago? he was getting abused by another pg (hinrich?) and when nobody was looking literally grabbed his jersey and threw him into the scorer's table. walked away like nothing happened.
post #1413 of 27206
celtics looked surprisingly uninspired last night. I think the loss of tony allen will really hurt them if they have to face the lakers in the finals again. He did an admirable job of defending kobe last year - marquis daniels cannot fill that void and as we all saw, ray allen cannot, and never could defend kobe one on one, though no one can really. Celtics will be tougher though if/when they have a relatively healthy trio of shaq/perkins/oneal.

LO looked very spry last night as well. It's only Artest that continues to be pretty much worthless. Same with Dfish but at least one can look forward to his clutchness come playoff time - its the one skill not diminished by father time. Artest cant even stay in front of PP anymore...seeing him on the court while the other lakers are playing well is sad...I feel bad for him because I'm sure it's so obvious to everyone, including himself.
post #1414 of 27206
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post
i love to watch him play offense (except against the lakers). but he is such a little punk. my memory is a little vague ... 2 years ago? in the playoffs? against Chicago? he was getting abused by another pg (hinrich?) and when nobody was looking literally grabbed his jersey and threw him into the scorer's table. walked away like nothing happened.

totally agree....Rondo just reeks of punkassbitch. and he's overhyped bc, despite his passing and rebounding, he is such a huge liability on offense, it's ridiculous. Especially given the fact that he doesn't seem to be improving in that department at all.

That said, I will say this - and it's not something I like to admit as a Kobe fan, but he defends Kobe pretty well when given the opportunity. Maybe he couldn't do it a full game, but when I see him on Kobe, he's always gettin steals, or forcing Kobe into bad shots. Only, no one ever mentions it bc it's Kobe.
post #1415 of 27206
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Originally Posted by bsyde82 View Post
It's only Artest that continues to be pretty much worthless. Same with Dfish but at least one can look forward to his clutchness come playoff time - its the one skill not diminished by father time. Artest cant even stay in front of PP anymore...seeing him on the court while the other lakers are playing well is sad...I feel bad for him because I'm sure it's so obvious to everyone, including himself.

i'd disagree. artest and fish don't do much offensively (though fish did hit a couple big shots). but i think they both played really solid defense. how many times did rondo get free in the paint? true, fish got help on it ... and it was fun to watch everyone back off rondo and dare him to shoot CLANG!
post #1416 of 27206
yeah i was going to say i disagree too. artest has been great on defense one-on-one with the oppositions' key players he's been assigned to. how many times have you seen him poke the ball of their hands, trot down the court, and miraculously lay up a shot without even jumping, or, get fouled in the process. about twice every game.
post #1417 of 27206
I don't know man. He played alright last night, but I've seen him so many times this season where he can no longer defend elite offensive scorers. PP owned him in LA iirc. Doesn't have the lateral quickness, and just seems uninterested out there bc he rarely gets offensive touches.

He really was never able to defend Bron who was too fast for him. He is best against Melo bc Melo's game is based more on physicality than speed.

All in all, his defense NOW is mediocre at best. On top of that, he's pretty much an offensive liability all the time. At least last year, he has his kid-like charm and was riding the good vibes cuz he was still gunning for a ring. All that seems gone this year...he's just kind of there taking up space now. HOpefully this changes in the playoffs.
post #1418 of 27206
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Originally Posted by sexandcandy View Post
No, Blair is obvsiouly better than Bynum, Dwight Howard, Shaq in his prime, Kareem in his prime, or anyone really. This is evidenced by the 20/10 game Steve B. mentioned he had the other night.

Huh??? Those guys are all small fry.

Come on, the ONLY guy better than Blair in the history of the NBA/ABA/NBDL/NCAA/juco/h s/etc., ever, is Wes Unseld. Period.

But one more of those 20/10 games (man oh man Blair is just racking those up...whew!!!) and DJ will definitely surpass Wes, no doubt.
post #1419 of 27206
[quote=AldenPyle;4116247]DeJuan Blair has no knee ligaments. He is playing on borrowed time. Great match for a team like SA, terrible for Denver.

He could not play if he was missing all his knee ligaments. Some people can play without ACL ligaments. It places incredible strain on other muscles and tissue in the legs and knee. But if his ACL detrioted over a longer period of time, his other muscles may have adjusted and strengthened. Hines Ward plays without a ACL ligamnet and 1 leg.

Blair is placing incredible strain on his aricular cartilage though and he may be wearing that away (Think B Roy). Every body is different, some of it is how the other parts of the knee respond to the impact, his strength of thinGs like his hamstrings and quads and how he physically walks/runs. Some people have strong, healthy tissue in the knee that is resistant to fraying (the fraying leads leads to more fraying and AC wearing away and so on). He may have much longer than you think or he could be a short timer. He is also at a higher risk for a meniscus tear.
post #1420 of 27206
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post
i love to watch him play offense (except against the lakers). but he is such a little punk. my memory is a little vague ... 2 years ago? in the playoffs? against Chicago? he was getting abused by another pg (hinrich?) and when nobody was looking literally grabbed his jersey and threw him into the scorer's table. walked away like nothing happened.

Do mean like the time Jabbar threw a punch at someone or Erving swiped at Bird or MAlone took out Jordan's legs. Come on this is the NBA. Look at the whole body of work. You don't like him because you are a fan of another team. He plays the game the right way. Except the shooting of course.
post #1421 of 27206
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Originally Posted by bsyde82 View Post
totally agree....Rondo just reeks of punkassbitch. and he's overhyped bc, despite his passing and rebounding, he is such a huge liability on offense, it's ridiculous. Especially given the fact that he doesn't seem to be improving in that department at all.

That said, I will say this - and it's not something I like to admit as a Kobe fan, but he defends Kobe pretty well when given the opportunity. Maybe he couldn't do it a full game, but when I see him on Kobe, he's always gettin steals, or forcing Kobe into bad shots. Only, no one ever mentions it bc it's Kobe.

And a huge liabilty on offense???? His outside shooting is a liabilty bit he also has been one of the league leaders at guard for shooting percentage. There is a lot more to this game than just outside shooting. The Celtics are older than a few years ago, yet they lead the league in FG % shooting. That is because of Rondo's maturity in running a team. Look at that team when Rondo goes out of the game. Offense bogs down, even with other starters in there. Nate Robinson is a far better shooter than Rondo and the Celtics have trouble consistently scoring when robinson is in there and Rondo out.

I agree he looks good at times against kobe but he cannot do it consistently. Of course, no one does that well against Kobe over the long haul. But I don't think Rondo can do it that well for stretches either. The Celtics can spot up with Rondo on Kobe occasionaly but try that too much and it is easy for the Lakers to adjust and start to focus Kobe down low. Plus the Celtics cannot afford thier floor leader to expend that much energy on D guarding Kobe and can't risk his foul trouble.
post #1422 of 27206
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post #1423 of 27206
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Originally Posted by guster View Post
And a huge liabilty on offense???? His outside shooting is a liabilty bit he also has been one of the league leaders at guard for shooting percentage. There is a lot more to this game than just outside shooting. The Celtics are older than a few years ago, yet they lead the league in FG % shooting. That is because of Rondo's maturity in running a team. Look at that team when Rondo goes out of the game. Offense bogs down, even with other starters in there. Nate Robinson is a far better shooter than Rondo and the Celtics have trouble consistently scoring when robinson is in there and Rondo out.

I agree he looks good at times against kobe but he cannot do it consistently. Of course, no one does that well against Kobe over the long haul. But I don't think Rondo can do it that well for stretches either. The Celtics can spot up with Rondo on Kobe occasionaly but try that too much and it is easy for the Lakers to adjust and start to focus Kobe down low. Plus the Celtics cannot afford thier floor leader to expend that much energy on D guarding Kobe and can't risk his foul trouble.

ok maybe "huge" is an exaggeration, but he's definitely a liability offensively much of the time - you wouldn't dare say that about any star PG in the league. Do you see how far off Kobe plays him when on D? It's like Rondo's not even there sometimes! I've never seen a defender sag off a guard that much in the NBA - and it presents a problem bc Kobe can just roam around getting blocks and steals, which seem to go up when he plays the celtics. I haven't even touched on his free throw shooting, which is horrendous, like it boggles my mind how a guard can be THAT bad. No way in hell would I ever say Nate > Rondo in any situation, but Nate isn't a PG. He's a ball hog shooting guard in a little man's body...the celtics don't really have a backup pg with the exception of delonte who's hurt.

I would like to see Rondo play w/o the big 3 - I'm inclined to think his all-world assist/rebounding numbers take a significant hit, as does his overall reputation as an elite PG.
post #1424 of 27206
The regular season so far has been interesting. But in the grand scheme of things, not sure what has changed since the beginning of the season. Last night's Celtic/Laker game did not mean that much. Without Daniels and Robinson, the Celtics wore down. But even if they had those guys and they won, it does not mean much.

They could not handle the Lakers length last year when Perkins got hurt. Perkins has come back from the injury much stronger than people anticpiated. The Celtics brass know most people take a year from MCL & ACL surgery. He looks good but it is still early to tell how he will be doing a few months from now. And without a backup center this year, they took a chance on a couple of old guys named O'Neill. The Celtics look good but they are old. What are the chances all those 30+ year old guys will be healthy come playoff time.

And with Miami figuring things out these last few months, it is still very easy to see a Miami/LA final.
post #1425 of 27206
Is it me or does Artest seem awkward/robotic simply running down the court - and train wreck when handling the ball when being guarded by anybody? I mean sh!t, he looks just as uncoordinated as I do when there is a defender on me, but my excuse is I suck.
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