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you of little faith
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Serious question: Should the Thunder trade Westbrook next year? They had as good if not better record without him and they could get some real talent from somebody thirsty for a "star"
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refs seriously have it in for the rockets. series of no calls and blatant fouls
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Originally Posted by NorCal View Post

Serious question: Should the Thunder trade Westbrook next year? They had as good if not better record without him and they could get some real talent from somebody thirsty for a "star"

He was playing in LA, where he's from, so I think that influenced him to be a hero.

I would not move him. Having him in fantasy, I see him every day. He puts up spectacular stats. He had a triple double the other night in 20 mins. He's also a physical freak of nature and as quick as any player in the history of the NBA.
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Serious question: Should the Thunder trade Westbrook next year? They had as good if not better record without him and they could get some real talent from somebody thirsty for a "star"
This is a tough one. If he's allowed to be a ball-dominant score-first PG, he's probably a top 5 player in terms of production (I'm not terribly sure about this, but let's say top 10 for sure). If you can flip him for CP3, then yes, absolutely, but that's probably unrealistic. To move him you need to get a bonafide star, not a bunch of decent to good players.

I also expect that OKC management is going to be very cautious in making big trades given all the (well deserved) criticism they've received over the Harden fuckup...they'll only move him for a no brainer acquisition.
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^ Speaking of that Harden snafu

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they're not going to move him. they've said it several times and the organization is pretty committed to the development of their young players. they'd have to get some unbelievable trade offer to consider and even then probably wouldn't move him
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they're not going to move him. they've said it several times and the organization is pretty committed to the development of their young players. they'd have to get some unbelievable trade offer to consider and even then probably wouldn't move him

They'll almost never get fair value in return. Even CP3 is not fair value (3 yrs older/injury history), I likely wouldn't make that deal, but many would.

I suggested Westbrook for Rondo at one point but not any more. Westbrook for Harden, or Aldridge, etc. That's the kind of guy it would take to make the deal.
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westbrook is only 24 (25?) and his efficiency gets better every year. coaching staff just needs to work with him to make sure he doesn't take those long contested 2s and set up backup plans for when their sets fail. they need to make adjustments and its pretty clear scott brooks hates doing that. he hates changing things even when certain things (like lineups e.g. with perkins) aren't working

westbrook for harden will never happen and they don't really need aldridge since they have durant. i don't really know who'd be a good trade for him
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Good that you mention Scott Brooks. He's even more to blame for the Thunder not getting the most efficiency out of their talent than anyone else
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the scary thing is that the thunders can get even more efficient
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you of little faith

I'd like to think I'm optimistically realistic wink.gif
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Brooks is not the coach for this team. He's not dynamic and creative enough. He was shit on by a very marginal Spoelstra (my opinion, yes) running a Pat Riley system on his behalf.

A Phil Jackson mentality could get them playing championship ball but not the dynamic they have now. This team is not better than the one that faced Miami. Harden is gone. They need an edge which Brooks won't ever provide. A George Karl could do it, without naming untouchable coaches. Maybe a few others. I rate Brad Stevens really highly, he might, but Brooks should go way before Westbrook.
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imo the young'ns have really stepped up. jeremy lamb, reggie jackson, steven adams, perry jones. they've filled harden and martin's empty spot really nicely. they're a much better team than last year.

i'd love to see a coach that's into a triangle offense coach them. they have the perfect pieces
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

imo the young'ns have really stepped up. jeremy lamb, reggie jackson, steven adams, perry jones. they've filled harden and martin's empty spot really nicely. they're a much better team than last year.

i'd love to see a coach that's into a triangle offense coach them. they have the perfect pieces

They have a different team with solid additions sans Harden. S Adams, I am convinced, will be a really good player. Jones, Lamb, Jackson are all solid role players but Harden is elite.

I'd never take those three combined over Harden any day. Today, Harden would probably start, he would have to. Adams over Perkins. Jackson and Thabo on the bench, and allow KD RW and JH run with the 2nd unit in turn... That's a championship squad.
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