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TWO IN A ROW! HOPE LIVES! LAKERS, BABY, LAKERS. shog[1].gif
well, that didn't last long.
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Knicks' fans plan protest outside MSG for March 19

Occupy MSG?

Via the New York Post, Knicks fans are planning a protest outside Madison Square Garden for March 19 against owner James Dolan and his direction of the franchise.

That night the Knicks play the Pacers, and the group "KF4L," which stands for "Knicks Fan For Life," will hold a rally outside the arena.

The organizers have put out this statement on their Facebook page:
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“Dolan's failure to allow knowledgeable basketball people the autonomy/power to make basketball related decision ... His insistence on overriding the opinions of his basketball people by bidding against himself in negotiations and overpaying in trades

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“We understand Dolan will not sell. We understand change may not come of this. We just want our voices heard. We want to remind Dolan and the NBA that our voices matter. We buy the tickets, the jerseys, the NBA League Pass subscriptions. We are frustrated. We are tired. We deserve better."
Things are not good for the Knicks. It's not just the product on the floor, but the direction of the team is cloudy, with the future completely up in the air as ownership and management have given away assets and draft picks because of a win-now mentality.

So some fans are trying to take what they can into their own hands. It won't do much -- just like any chant at the arena won't do much -- but it's at least a visible demonstration of the angst and anger building within the fanbase.
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Howard seems to be back to full strength too, although this is the first rockets game I've watched in months. Too bad this is not the version of D12 that the Lakers got last year

he's a large dude and certainly strong... but for an NBA big man, my god what a fucking pussy Da-wight (Chris Broussard voice) is. nod[1].gif
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Agree completely
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Lol. I don't really pay much attention to Lebron critiques here, but once in a while something is so blatantly false I can't resist.

You really don't think defensive efficiency is better now than it was before? Charlotte is the 7th best team in the league in defensive efficiency and they were double teaming him as soon as he crossed mid court FFS.

And what rules have made scoring so much easier? Lebron was probably still in diapers when they outlawed hand checking.

"Rules" is a loose term. Some are unwritten. Some rules blatantly ignored.

Star treatment #1 - defenders get called early and often on stars (the Raja Bell treatment). #2, starts almost never get called for fouls... didn't LJ go 6 entire games last season without committing a foul? The net result being they always get their minutes and thus always get their numbers.

A walk being 4 steps now. Touch fouls everywhere (all contact now is basically a foul). Hand checking outlawed. The rule changes around charging under the basket. There is plenty more.


Lots of comments in this thread about how games now are score-a-thons. Interesting how you choose mine to retort. I watched enough of that game to see how egregious LeBron's chosen one status is in the Assn. And he still has the most annoying bitch face in the history of the NBA (besides the point but chucking it in there).

Carmelo's monster a while back was pretty impressive, even considering the run and gun nature of the league now. But too many average guys are breaking out with big games all the time.

The league wants scoring, we all know that. I'm surprised you're bothering to contest my point.
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Lots of comments in this thread about how games now are score-a-thons. Interesting how you choose mine to retort.
You're right about this part. I should have heeded indesertum's advice on this. But for the benefit of people who actually care about data and might be wondering:

http://sportslistoftheday.com/2012/11/07/nba-league-scoring-averages-1946-47-through-2011-12/

I couldn't find a list that had 2012-2013 data on it. But here are your league scoring averages by season:

2011-12 NBA 96.3
2010-11 NBA 99.6
2009-10 NBA 100.4
2008-09 NBA 100.0
2007-08 NBA 99.9
2006-07 NBA 98.7
2005-06 NBA 97.0
2004-05 NBA 97.2
2003-04 NBA 93.4
2002-03 NBA 95.1
2001-02 NBA 95.5
2000-01 NBA 94.8
1999-00 NBA 97.5
1998-99 NBA 91.6
1997-98 NBA 95.6
1996-97 NBA 96.9
1995-96 NBA 99.5
1994-95 NBA 101.4
1993-94 NBA 101.5
1992-93 NBA 105.3
1991-92 NBA 105.3
1990-91 NBA 106.3
1989-90 NBA 107.0
1988-89 NBA 109.2
1987-88 NBA 108.2
1986-87 NBA 109.9
1985-86 NBA 110.2
1984-85 NBA 110.8
1983-84 NBA 110.1
1982-83 NBA 108.5
1981-82 NBA 108.6
1980-81 NBA 108.1
1979-80 NBA 109.3
1978-79 NBA 110.3
1977-78 NBA 108.5
1976-77 NBA 106.5
1975-76 NBA 104.3
1974-75 NBA 102.6
1973-74 NBA 105.7
1972-73 NBA 107.6
1971-72 NBA 110.2
1970-71 NBA 112.4
1969-70 NBA 116.7
1968-69 NBA 112.3
1967-68 NBA 116.6
1966-67 NBA 117.4
1965-66 NBA 115.5
1964-65 NBA 110.6
1963-64 NBA 111.0
1962-63 NBA 115.3
1961-62 NBA 118.8
1960-61 NBA 118.1
1959-60 NBA 115.3
1958-59 NBA 108.2
1957-58 NBA 106.6
1956-57 NBA 99.6
1955-56 NBA 99.0
1954-55 NBA 93.1
1953-54 NBA 79.5
1952-53 NBA 82.7
1951-52 NBA 83.7
1950-51 NBA 84.1
1949-50 NBA 80.0
1948-49 BAA 80.0

Charlotte's opponents score 97.3 ppg against them per season, that's 5th best in the league
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^ the 97.3 is for the 2013-2014 season, for some reason I can't edit the last sentence of the abovd
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Those scoring averages are interesting. Clippers certainly contributed tonight by absolutely shellacking the Lakers. Damn their D sux.



"I'm not making excuses, but I'm not a big fans of the jerseys," said James

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Ummm... ya you just did bro. I remember I learned that word in school... "excuse". Oh, no wonder LBJ doesn't understand what it means.
Edited by Kid Nickels - 3/6/14 at 11:19pm
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You're right about this part. I should have heeded indesertum's advice on this. But for the benefit of people who actually care about data and might be wondering:

http://sportslistoftheday.com/2012/11/07/nba-league-scoring-averages-1946-47-through-2011-12/

Statistics are notorious for redirecting a discussion. I made no claims about scoring averages. Thanks for fact checking, and you might get a few thumbs up, but it doesn't mean much since its beside my point. Although, now that the list is there, you can see a clear trend upwards in scoring from '93 on. Regardless.

I'll restate in different terms and perhaps you can address the actual point I was making. The entertainment value for me is diminished. It looks too easy now in part for the reasons I stated. The games are now an exercise in marketing and branding which cannot be represented in your list of scoring averages. And I don't seem to be the only one to identify this trend of boring, yet high scoring and close games which generate highlight reels for ESPN.
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Statistics are notorious for redirecting a discussion.

 

Redirecting them in an evidence driven direction? The kind of direction that yields truth?

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Lol. Your initial point was that Lebron's scoring outburst was not impressive because "scoring is too easy now". I showed you simple data that says that it isn't. Now we're talking about entertainment value? All over the interwebs, a million Patrick Stewart gifs are shouting "pick me!"

Funny how you're impressed at melo's scoring but Lebron's performance is bullshit. Is it because Melo scored one more point?

Anyway, I think I've made my point here.
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Redirecting them in an evidence driven direction? The kind of direction that yields truth?

No, and thus the curse of the fact checkers. It's a bit non-nonsensical to chuck statistics at me when I made no factual claim about scoring averages. I stated an opinion.

For example, a few pages back, I talked about how I downloaded and re-watched the entire 7 game Laker-Celtics '84 finals. Those were high scoring games, but they were brilliant to watch, very entertaining, great basketball. Watching that series now as an adult shifted my views on the current NBA a lot. Thus, my posts previous.

Lakers - Celtics '84

109-115
124-121 OT
137-104
125-129 OT
121-103
119-108
111-102

(posted scores so the fact checkers don't have to check)

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Lol. Your initial point was that Lebron's scoring outburst was not impressive because "scoring is too easy now". I showed you simple data that says that it isn't. Now we're talking about entertainment value?

Funny how you're impressed at melo's scoring but Lebron's performance is bullshit. Is it because Melo scored one more point?

Anyway, I think I've made my point here.

No, Hroi. Not at all. I can separate my distaste for LeBron's antics and favoritism towards him and identify quality play. My opinion is Melo's performance was more impressive. And I don't like Melo. You're awfully defensive about this.

We were always talking about entertainment value. There is a difference between statistics and scoring LOOKING too easy. Watch those '84 games and see how many travel violations were whistled. It looks easy when guys are getting away with 3 and sometimes 4 steps. There aren't stats for things like that, but you seem insistent that there are.

I could give a shit what final scores are, I want to see competitive basketball and I'm not seeing a lot of it anymore. Have fun with your facts and stats. I think we're talking past each other. You've made a point, but its weakly presented and has little to do with my comments.

I will provide an analogy which might help clarify what I am trying to say. Formula 1 used to look incredibly difficult from in car cameras... gear shifts, see saw steering wheel, immense vibrations, a real sensation that this driver was on the verge of death. Smash cut 20 years later to now, these guys look like they are Sunday driving. That's the crux. It looks too easy and its less fun to watch.
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