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A wild Blake defender appears!
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dwight howard dunk contest was awesome
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

doesn't blake griffin basically thrown down "dunks" like howard on the superman dunk (without touching the rim). everyone seems to cream their pants when blake does it

props are fine. if paul george is pulling reverse 360º windmills in-game then the only logical progression is props to make things more interesting.

i didn't even know nate robinson tore his ACL... thats sad... he's listed as 5'9" but is probably even shorter in reality. its kind of amazing what he could do.


tall guys can be awesome in the dunk contest:

kemp 6'10"

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Blakes dunk is much, much more impressive than Dwights because he did it over someone. It's like Carter dunking clearly over some dude in the game, shit's impressive in a dunk contest but in real game, it is simply unbelievable.

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That dunk > Robinson jumping over Howard (and that's an impressive dunk in itself).



6'10" dunkers are fine if they are like Kemp or Blake just because they make crazy body contortions and actually look like they have height when they jump. It's what made MJ's dunk more insane, bending his legs and make it seem like dude is flying. It's why Brent Barrys free throw dunks looks unimpressive, those stiff legs just pointing straight down looks bad. lol8[1].gif

This image is impressive though and if all of Howards dunks were like this and then it's cool.



Paul George is practically 6'10" though, maybe an inch short (but dude might still be growing?) but those dunks looks much more impressive with how his body moves in the air, which is part of the show.
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^ lol Vin Baker on team USA
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^no joke he has like a 34.0" standing vertical and a 40.5"+ max vertical. and he's a 7 footer too (well 6.10.5" without shoes but then again dwight howard is 6'9" without shoes).



i've had plumlee on my fantasy team, and I'm ashamed to admit I didn't even know he was white ( i picked him up for extra rebounding) and finally got to see him on TV and was surprised at his athletic ability. He's kind of like deAndre Jordan... all hops and little game IQ.


We have a new Tom Chambers.

Howard in the Dunk contest was the lowest point of a pretty lowly contest. Its worse than the NFL pro bowl.

That Vince Carter dunk may be the greatest dunk ever. Its incredible how fast a guy's body can tighten up. He was easily as athletic as Jordan early in his career. Give him credit, he still makes it work somehow even though he looks like a bag of bolts running the court.

Someone should research this stuff. Guys like Carter, C Webber, Hardaway, Stoudemire, etc, what causes this rapid demise. Man, look at some video of Chris Webber at Michigan, he was a monster. He made the basket look 8 feet high. Then there are guys like Hakeem and Dr. J that can keep it together forever.


Edited by idfnl - 2/7/14 at 6:22am
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I think if you look at the guys that last forever (except Dr.J), none of them were really Blake Griffin type, dunk every possession players. The last few years of Jordan's Chicago career he was more a mid range jump shooter than a dunker. Hakeem was never really a dunker, Kareem, Parish etc. All those guys played until they were senior citizens and then you have the Hardaway and Stats of the world, whose whole game was jumping over people, and their bodys just broke down. I hope the same thing does not happen to Blake.

As for this years contest. I would look for Lilliard to win, small guys always look more impressive and explosive dunking than a guy 6'10" (Kemp was not 6'10" and he was a freak of nature). Plus Lilliard has crazy hops.
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I think if you look at the guys that last forever (except Dr.J), none of them were really Blake Griffin type, dunk every possession players. The last few years of Jordan's Chicago career he was more a mid range jump shooter than a dunker. Hakeem was never really a dunker, Kareem, Parish etc. All those guys played until they were senior citizens and then you have the Hardaway and Stats of the world, whose whole game was jumping over people, and their bodys just broke down. I hope the same thing does not happen to Blake.

As for this years contest. I would look for Lilliard to win, small guys always look more impressive and explosive dunking than a guy 6'10" (Kemp was not 6'10" and he was a freak of nature). Plus Lilliard has crazy hops.

That's the thing, it seems like something other than breaking down. Ya, there are Grant Hill and Greg Oden types, but there is this other type of guy that just loses his mobility. I don't how to explain it other than they just tighten up. You're partly right, some guys just can't play without that hyper athleticism. Chris Webber had great hands and could dish the ball, he could play after the change in his body, but most guys just can't.

The opposite, look at a guy like Kobe. Quite an amazing body, the guy hardly ages, he has most of his mobility and he is still pretty damn quick. Tony Parker and Tim Duncan are 2 more. Karl Malone too.
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Lillard has crazy hops but if we are picking small guys, Wall all the way. Lillard has a hard time finishing in dunks in-games while Wall will stuff em in your face. Hell you can make a highlights reel of Lillard getting the ball returned to his face on a dunk attempt. lol8[1].gif

No ball defenders in the contest though so I'm curious how creative he could be. We already saw what Wall could do in the Rising Star challenge and I think he did a few good dunks on a fastbreak this year too.
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i've always hated slam dunk contests. a great dunk in the midst of a game is awesome, but really, how entertaining is it to see somebody slam when there's nobody defending them?
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i've always hated slam dunk contests. a great dunk in the midst of a game is awesome, but really, how entertaining is it to see somebody slam when there's nobody defending them?

I'll take this one step forward. I hate the new NBA high octane offenses. I'm not impressed with all these teams averaging +100 a game (or per 100 possessions). How entertaining is it to see these hyper athletic, talented guys score so much when basically no defense is being played (or allowed by the league anymore). Give me a 90's Knicks/Bulls 82-80 game, that to me is impressive. Having the will, desire and ability to hold the other team to 80 points. You want to see lots of high flying scoring, go see the Harlem Globetrotters.
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i've always hated slam dunk contests. a great dunk in the midst of a game is awesome, but really, how entertaining is it to see somebody slam when there's nobody defending them?

Very!


You act like these dudes are only doing two handed simple jams. lol8[1].gif



What's killing the contest is all the misses and retrys. Back then, you miss the dunk and you have no points or get the lowest points possible. Now they get to try for about a minute or so and even worse when there was no time limit and it just loses the luster of the dunk after you see them try it 10 times.
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^ Yeah, who was the guy who was trying to drunk two balls at the same time? He must have tried it 20 times with no success. So awkward..
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I remember that attempt but forget the name.

The most annoying was Nate Robinsons I think and there was no time limit then. People were cheering him on and I think they kind of just felt bad to boo the guy because he is so small and he was trying so hard yet he just couldn't complete his dunks.


New Slam dunk competition format.

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In a media release naming the six participants, the league also announced perhaps the most sweeping changes to the dunk contest format in history. For the first time, the field will be split up into "teams," for the Eastern and Western Conferences. Representing the East will be Wall, George and defending champion Terrence Ross, while Lillard, Harrison Barnes and Ben McLemore will represent the West.

Rather than competing individually, elimination-style like previous years, the NBA has instead come up with a two-round team competition.

In the first round, titled the "Freestyle Round," dunkers from each respective conference will have 90 seconds to do as many dunks as they want. Meaning, George could do a 360 once, go off from the foul line his second time and then jump over six Kias on his third attempt. Or he could miss a whole bunch of dunks—it just won't automatically eliminate him from the competition.

After each conference's Freestyle Round opportunity, a panel of judges will determine whether the Eastern Conference or Western Conference won the round. There are no tallied scores. Judges are informed to just vote based on the East or West.

The victorious conference will then get to choose whether its dunkers go first or second in the second series of dunks, titled the "Battle Round." The Battle Round is far more self-explanatory. Dunkers from respective conferences are paired off against one another, then square off in a head-to-head dunk-off, with the judges determining a winner. The losing dunker is then subsequently eliminated from all further head-to-head matchups.

Whenever a conference wins three head-to-head matchups, obviously, it has won the Battle Round by eliminating all competitors. Dunkers do not battle within their conferences.

Got that all? Oh, not at all? OK, let's try this again with some quick bullet points:

-Freestyle Round: Dunkers have 90 seconds to perform as many dunks as they can. Best conference wins.

-Battle Round: Head-to-head dunk-off. Winner determined by judges. Winner of freestyle round gets to choose the order of the battle round. Dunk contest winner determined when no players from one conference are remaining in the competition.

Now that we've got that cleared up, I'm assuming you all would like to know how an individual winner is crowned.

Well, that's about the only thing that hasn't been fiddled with. Fans will be able to vote online through various apps and websites to determine the best individual dunker. However, rather than being the Slam Dunk Contest champion, he will instead earn the new title "Dunker of the Night."

Now, understandably there will be some resistance to change.

This is the first time since 1988 that three actual All-Stars—Lillard, George and Wall—have entered the competition.
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I'll take this one step forward. I hate the new NBA high octane offenses. I'm not impressed with all these teams averaging +100 a game (or per 100 possessions). How entertaining is it to see these hyper athletic, talented guys score so much when basically no defense is being played (or allowed by the league anymore). Give me a 90's Knicks/Bulls 82-80 game, that to me is impressive. Having the will, desire and ability to hold the other team to 80 points. You want to see lots of high flying scoring, go see the Harlem Globetrotters.

 

Do you not think these teams could beat those "defensive" teams? Defense is inefficient.

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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I'll take this one step forward. I hate the new NBA high octane offenses. I'm not impressed with all these teams averaging +100 a game (or per 100 possessions). How entertaining is it to see these hyper athletic, talented guys score so much when basically no defense is being played (or allowed by the league anymore). Give me a 90's Knicks/Bulls 82-80 game, that to me is impressive. Having the will, desire and ability to hold the other team to 80 points. You want to see lots of high flying scoring, go see the Harlem Globetrotters.
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Very!
You act like these dudes are only doing two handed simple jams. lol8[1].gif

yup. us old dogs. i still think basketball is a team game played by human athletes. it is not improved by being converted to a playstation analog.
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