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post #13486 of 27591
if i were the Suns i would stand pat and devote all my general managing resources to crushing this year's draft. none of the guys mentioned is a true difference maker with the possible exception of Randolph, and if you nail a couple of draft picks you won't get a quality guy/future star for any cheaper. maybe even package those picks to move up, although that will be very hard to do this year because of the hype around the top 3-5.

the only exception i would consider is to feel out the Wolves on what it would take to get Kevin Love. he's the one true difference maker who seems to be in the most unstable spot.
post #13487 of 27591
i don't understand the fascination in the nba with draft choices. to me, they're a lot better off traded for actual players. it would be interesting to look at the history of first-round draft choices going back the last 10 years, how many of those players actually contributed? on the other hand, it seems there's always a GM who is anxious to trade an established player for a couple first-rounders. bird in the hand.
post #13488 of 27591
yeah even after you get a high lottery pick it seems like a slim chance that your draft pick actually develops into a good player. i think more often than not it's more about the coaching staff and team atmosphere than it is about the talent of the draft pick. like look at kawhi and monta then look at anthony bennett

he puts up 15 and 8 and he gets an article calling it a breakthrough night
post #13489 of 27591
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The past 10 years isn't a bad example, the #1 picks have been Rose, Davis, Griffin, Wall, Irving, Howard, Lebron and Yao. There are some bad picks too like Oden (though had big potential), Bargnanni (wasn't too bad in Toronto, averaging 21/5 while stretching the floor) and Bogut (Bogut was doing well before he got seriously hurt) but overall those are good picks and just got hurt when they actually started to play well, minus Oden.

But in Odens year, number 2 is Durant then Horford and Conley. In bargs year, next is Aldridge then farther down the line is Gay and Roy. In Boguts year theres CP3, DWill, Bynum and Granger. So there is a good chance there as long of getting a good solid future star there.

Obviously i am talking about strictly first picks there because that's what the teams are aiming for however...

I am not up to the draft players but next years is being hyped as if it will be the next 2003 draft, I am not actually sure if it is that deep but if it truly is then I can see why managers are getting wet thinking about those draft places.

As for the Suns bombing, I think it is too late now without it being too obvious. Their record is too good and even when Bledsoe went down, they still managed to win and stay in contention for the playoffs. The team is playing too well for them to all of a sudden start losing w/o anyone noticing it is on purpose unless Dragic goes down. I'm not saying they should go with a trade for a big star either but they seem to be stuck in the middle as I am not sure how many good stars they can get that will lead to a chip or past round 2 in the West.
post #13490 of 27591
grantland (?) had an article about how the draft is deep (as in more than several very good picks in the first round), but not great. like a few players might be all stars but theres no durant or lebron or kobe. nobody that you would build your team around, but would make amazing 2nd, 3rd options. we'll see how it goes
post #13491 of 27591
also rfx, i wasn't talking about first picks. i was talking about first-round. Top 30. someday if i get the time i'll try to figure that out.

and what started my comment was the phoenix question. if it were me, i'd definitely made a deal if a good one came along. like i said, there is likely to be some talent available before the trade deadline as folks try to move contracts, get rid of bad fits. dangle a first-round choice in front of them -- or two -- and you mgiht be surprised what you could get. not lebron certainly, but maybe somebody who could really contribute next year.
post #13492 of 27591
great okc miami game while i smoked a bunch of cigars, durant with the hot hand
post #13493 of 27591
Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

also rfx, i wasn't talking about first picks. i was talking about first-round. Top 30. someday if i get the time i'll try to figure that out.

and what started my comment was the phoenix question. if it were me, i'd definitely made a deal if a good one came along. like i said, there is likely to be some talent available before the trade deadline as folks try to move contracts, get rid of bad fits. dangle a first-round choice in front of them -- or two -- and you mgiht be surprised what you could get. not lebron certainly, but maybe somebody who could really contribute next year.

I think this is one of those "6 on one hand, half a dozen in the other" situations. A known commodity should be more valuable than a draft pick, but you've seen situations where a big time, sure thing player went to a team and didn't live up to expectations **coughdwighthowardcough** and obviously we've seen sure thing draft picks be busts. I think every draft, for the most part, has some good players that can make a difference, its a question of the right team drafting the right player which has a lot to do with the scouting. Look at Bennett this year, he's a "bust" but in reality, he went to a really bad team for his skill set. He requires a lot of touches in the low post to be effective but he plays on a team with guards that require the ball in their hands all the time and they also had Bynum for a while so he was an afterthought, if a thought at all. They probably really should have drafted Noel, who will be more of a defensive, shot blocking player. The flip side is MCW. If you didn't look at his game closely while at Syracuse, you would not have seen the type of defensive player and floor general he is since they play zone all the time and they had multiple scoring options on that team.

Anyway, I think next years draft will be very good, I think Ombilid or whatever his name is will be a great pick for someone, Wiggins/Parker are probably where the "risks" lie, that SG/SF position is rife with both great players in the NBA and great past draft busts. There is the kid from Creighton also, who should be a solid NBA player and there seems to always be some good picks in the 15-20 range (knicks last year with Hardaway), even in weak drafts. At the end of the day its a crap shoot and if push came to shove, I'd be inclined to trade for a known player rather than hoping for a draft pick.
post #13494 of 27591
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Getting players to sign to small market teams is also not the easiest thing to do. A star or superstar that has options will likely sign with a big market like LA or NY or Miami than Phoenix or Charlotte because overall, those markets provide bigger money in the long run. Look at CP3 for example, best PG since his Hornets days but he didn't become as big or as mainstream until he move to LA. Now he is the face of State Farm and is part of probably the biggest ad campaign in the NBA at this moment. Nike also gives bonuses for going to big market teams iirc.

They might be able to get a good player via trade but if there is no guarrantee of them resigning then it is a big risk a la Howard with LA.

So for small market teams, drafts are their best bet at getting a good player. I mean as deep as some are saying in next years draft, Phoenix having 4 first round picks gives them a good chances at landing at least one or two players that can be very helpful to the team moving forward.

Again I am not entirely sure which decision is best for them, they are stuck right in the middle and if I were Phoenix GM, i'd be very cautious of my next move. Team seems to be in good hands with Hornacek though so we'll see how they proceed as the trade deadline nears.
post #13495 of 27591
Thread Starter 
One of the dumbest articles I've read.

A Realistic Trade for Russell Westbrook That Would Save the New York Knicks

Through the first half of the NBA season, much has been made about how the New York Knicks have grossly underachieved.

Entering the campaign with title aspirations, things have clearly not gone as planned as the Knicks would find themselves out of the playoffs if the season ended today. Notwithstanding this, and some terrible performances along the way, the news of the Knicks' demise has been far overblown.

Their struggles are not representative of a systematic breakdown like so many other disappointing teams in the Eastern Conference, such as having a terribly mismatched roster (Detroit Pistons), being a bit too old (Brooklyn Nets) or being a bit too young (Cleveland Cavaliers).

Instead, the Knicks' struggles can be easily fixed by addressing two main issues: an unhealthy frontcourt and inconsistent point-guard play. Both of these issues can be addressed in one fell swoop by acquiring Russell Westbrook from the Oklahoma City Thunder. I am not suggesting either a fantasy trade for New York that Oklahoma City would never agree to or something that would not be possible under the NBA's salary-cap rules.

Rather, there is a realistic trade possibility that would both catapult the Thunder into the driver's seat in the Western Conference and position the Knicks to challenge the Indiana Pacers and Miami Heat in the East: Russell Westbrook, Kendrick Perkins and a future second-round draft pick for Tyson Chandler, Iman Shumpert, Raymond Felton and the right to swap future first-round draft picks.

Why the Thunder Would Do It

Beyond any doubt, one of the main drags on the Thunder's starting lineup has been Perkins. His general lack of athleticism is not a fit with the fast-paced Thunder. This would be cured tenfold with the addition of Chandler, an athletic rim protector who will provide the team protection when Serge Ibaka strays out of the paint.

Also, any veteran leadership lost with Perkins would be made up for with former NBA champion Changer. At the same time, Shumpert would fill a need for an athletic two-guard and Felton can slide in and provide depth as the backup point guard.

While Westbrook has been out injured, Reggie Jackson has played at an extremely high level and appears ready to take over as the regular starting point guard. This will more than soften the blow of losing Westbrook. Plus, cutting ties with him now would once and for all quiet the "can Kevin Durant and Westbrook co-exist" talk that seems to distract the team every postseason.

Why the Knicks Would Do It

For the Knicks, the benefit is obvious: Westbrook would be by far the best point guard to call Madison Square Garden home since Walt "Clyde" Frazier. He would provide a sense of athleticism that the Knicks desperately need at the position, and create the kind of matchup nightmares they are usually faced with against teams with better point guards.

Perhaps even more importantly, Westbrook's arrival as a bona-fide star would further reduce the already small chance that Carmelo Anthony would leave the Knicks in free agency in the offseason, seeing that Westbrook is currently signed to a long-term deal. Finally, Westbrook would thrive under the bright lights on Broadway with his impeccable style and likable personality.

As great as Chandler has been for the Knicks, the fact remains that they have too many big guys on the roster for too few minutes. With Chandler gone, and once Amar'e Stoudemire and Kenyon Martin get healthy, head coach Mike Woodson will have reason to employ a small lineup to give many teams trouble with the speed of Westbrook and company. Perkins would essentially be a throw-in but could provide some depth on the Knicks' second unit, which generally does not push the ball much anyways.

Finally, having to give up a first-round draft pick hasn't been an impediment for the Knicks in the past and would certainly not be when it comes to acquiring a superstar like Westbrook.

Assuming that Westbrook is able to return to the court soon, it doesn't make sense for the Knicks not to make a run at him. By acquiring such a superstar point guard, it is clear that the Knicks would quickly shoot towards the top of the Eastern Conference. Not only would that save this season, but it would also go a long way towards keeping Anthony in New York to build a budding dynasty around the two stars.
post #13496 of 27591

Since when is Westbrook a point guard?

post #13497 of 27591
Thread Starter 
That's what you got from the article?

But to answer your question, he is and always have been a scoring point guard.
post #13498 of 27591

Nobody is getting any of my jokes today.

post #13499 of 27591
Thread Starter 
Because you are known as a NY fan so anything Knicks related reply sounds sour grapes than a joke. lol8[1].gif
post #13500 of 27591

I don't know how anyone can suggest Westbrook and Melo be on the same team considering the (negative) effect Westbrook has on Durant.

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