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the guys i feel sorry for are kendall marshall, brought up from D league and AVERAGING a double-double (though he plays defense like a point guard), and pau, who is very quietly having a really good season over the last couple months. haven't got the stats, but i'm guessing he's doing 20-12 since he got over that weird flu ... or whatever it is.
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Kobe will return but they'll be just as bad anyways so they'll still be in the lottery pick anyways, honestly the last thing I ever expected from the Lakers, as long as Kobe was playing at least.


Speaking of the lottery, I read this a few days ago:
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Primer for Lakers fans: Understanding the NBA draft lottery

Lakers fans might not be especially familiar with the NBA draft lottery.

With multiple injuries and a 16-28 record, the Lakers have the seventh-worst record in the league.

A full 8½ games behind eighth-place Dallas (25-20) -- technically 9½ since the Mavericks have the head-to-head tiebreaker -- the Lakers are a near-lock to miss the playoffs.

On May 20, the NBA will hold the lottery, assigning 1,000, four-digit combinations to 14 teams.

The franchise with the worst record will receive 250 combinations, giving it a 25% chance of landing the first pick and a 64.3% chance of at least getting a top-three selection. The worst-case scenario, with 35.7% odds, has the top team drafting fourth overall.

The team with the second-worst record receives 199 combinations, third gets 156, fourth 119 and so on. Where the Lakers currently stand, they'd have only 43 combinations, giving the club a 4.3% chance at the top pick and 15% odds of a top-three selection.

If the Lakers finish two spots lower in the standings, their odds at the No. 1 pick increase to 8.8% and top three to 29.2%.

The last time the Lakers hit the lottery they were awarded the 10th pick in the 2005 draft. They used it to select 7-foot center Andrew Bynum, who ultimately helped the team win two NBA titles.

The Lakers also drafted 10th in 1994, taking guard Eddie Jones. While Jones became an All-Star with the Lakers, the team didn't win a championship until they traded him to the Charlotte Hornets (now New Orleans Pelicans) for forward Glen Rice in 1999.

The 2014 draft class has a number of strong possibilities, including Kansas' Joel Embiid and Andrew Wiggins, Oklahoma State's Marcus Smart, Duke's Jabari Parker, Kentucky's Julius Randle, Arizona's Aaron Gordon and Australian guard Dante Exum.

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the guys i feel sorry for are kendall marshall, brought up from D league and AVERAGING a double-double (though he plays defense like a point guard), and pau, who is very quietly having a really good season over the last couple months. haven't got the stats, but i'm guessing he's doing 20-12 since he got over that weird flu ... or whatever it is.


I feel differently. For Marshall, dude got the opportunity of a lifetime, he is now on the NBAs radar, I believe he now holds the record for having the most assist as a Laker in their first few games? Dude could get a decent contract down the road because of it and could only get better for him I think.

As for Pau, I hate that dude has to excel when he is the absolute last option in the team now and he is still very underwhelming. His stats looks good but seeing him play, he just looks blah. I feel like he should be doing more since the defense doesn't even bother doubling him and that's a big deal because he is the lone and only star of the team. I'd be impressed if he was doing 30/15 in this stretch of losses. I mean the interest on him from other teams are still very, very low because of it though part of it is also his age. I don't know, i've gone sour on Pau for a couple of years now, Kobe has to smack him to wake up and to stop being soft.
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I feel differently. For Marshall, dude got the opportunity of a lifetime, he is now on the NBAs radar, I believe he now holds the record for having the most assist as a Laker in their first few games? Dude could get a decent contract down the road because of it and could only get better for him I think.
this is true. i was talking about having to play on a losing team.
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As for Pau, I hate that dude has to excel when he is the absolute last option in the team now and he is still very underwhelming. His stats looks good but seeing him play, he just looks blah. I feel like he should be doing more since the defense doesn't even bother doubling him and that's a big deal because he is the lone and only star of the team. I'd be impressed if he was doing 30/15 in this stretch of losses. I mean the interest on him from other teams are still very, very low because of it though part of it is also his age. I don't know, i've gone sour on Pau for a couple of years now, Kobe has to smack him to wake up and to stop being soft.
totally disagree, but this is typical of pau criticism. how many 20-12 guys are there in the nba right now? you'd be impressed by 30/15. who the f*ck is doing 30/15? granted, he's not a dominant physical force, he's a finesse player. he's one of those guys who never looks like he's doing anything and then you look at the stat sheet and realize he very quietly outrebounded everyone on the floor. i get frustrated by his defense, too, but this year i put a lot of that down to the guys he's playing with. they're totally disorganized defensively. watch closely and you'll see that many times on plays it looks like he got burned on, he's rotated to help out on somebody else's man, but nobody rotated to his. I'm not trying to claim that pau is a dominant NBA player ... just saying that almost any GM in the league would take a consistent 20-12 and be very, very happy.
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Damn, bring up the Lakers and this thread gets flooded with a page full of replies in an hour. lol8[1].gif

That is the power of Nick Young.
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That's the thing though, he is a 20/12 guy in a team with no other option. I just feel like he should/could do more, maybe it's something inside me that just want the dude gone now too.

Yeah asking for 30/15 is ridiculous to ask but I feel dude could be at 25-30 pts easily at least with his skill and talent but dude seems to check out of game more often than I'd like. Trying to shoot way too many jumpshots when his only real move left these days is the stutter fake and then taking a jumpshot anyways because no one bites, where he elevates like 2 inches off the floor. Being a finesse player should be in his benefit though, it used to do so for sure, now his shots looks forced.

And now dude is hurt again.

It really is just a torture watching the whole team play right now and I'd really be more impressed with his numbers if he wasn't surrounded by NBA rejects and D-League players and is actually being doubled but teams just doesn't seem concerned with the the rest of the players so it feels like they just let him score if he can and he still could only do 20 per game. Just not liking what I am seeing, but hey what do you expect from an over critical Laker fan.
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That's the thing though, he is a 20/12 guy in a team with no other option. I just feel like he should/could do more, maybe it's something inside me that just want the dude gone now too.

Yeah asking for 30/15 is ridiculous to ask but I feel dude could be at 25-30 pts easily at least with his skill and talent but dude seems to check out of game more often than I'd like. Trying to shoot way too many jumpshots when his only real move left these days is the stutter fake and then taking a jumpshot anyways because no one bites, where he elevates like 2 inches off the floor. Being a finesse player should be in his benefit though, it used to do so for sure, now his shots looks forced.

could be worse, you can be tantalized by Jeff Green as a celtics fan. he's like dominique wilkins on one night, then turns into invisible man another night.

the one underrated annoying thing about gasol from being a laker hater is just how floppy he is on such a euro-level. so he can be down low and start to feel contact and you can start hearing him yell/groan loudly even over the TV like he's being manhandled and then he hits a small jump hook and even the lakers announcers get giddy about how hard that shot was under all that contact. then they replay it and its was a simple play where the defender didn't even touch him and its pau gasol (probably a legitimate 7'2" tall center) who did a basic turn around jump hook from 5 feet that couldn't of been blocked even if he didn't jump.

if that CP3 trade did go through, I bet he would've had a couple 25/12 seasons by now. CP3 is the kind of player that understands that getting the rock to a big man in great position is better than throwing lobs for sport center highlights.
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If the CP3 trade happened, Howard would still be n gold and purple right now so yeah you'd still see lots of lobs as highlights.

I'm just really curious how the team would have been if Nash and Howard were both 100% last year.


I mean the Lakers biggest acquisition last year was Kaman and dude is a DNP because he doesn't fit in with D'Antoni's system, did no one in the Lakers organization know this? Did D'Antoni not know that Kaman was not a running big man like Amare?
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If the CP3 trade happened, Howard would still be n gold and purple right now so yeah you'd still see lots of lobs as highlights.

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its kind of a sad day when knicks fans and laker fans complain about the same things. i know the lakers chances of hitting the lottery's top 4 picks are really low. but those complaints you have about kaman and what not? they are probably doing it for tanking purposes. they seriously need to suck badly this year to make the most off that preciously rare lakers lottery pick in the loaded draft.
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If the CP3 trade happened, Howard would still be n gold and purple right now so yeah you'd still see lots of lobs as highlights.

I mean the Lakers biggest acquisition last year was Kaman and dude is a DNP because he doesn't fit in with D'Antoni's system, did no one in the Lakers organization know this? Did D'Antoni not know that Kaman was not a running big man like Amare?
the magic of jimmy buss. as good an argument for punitive inheritance taxes as i've ever seen.
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Difference is the Knicks are practically the same team as last year. Melo is balling right now, Chandler is there, Fat Felton, JR Smith, same coach, etc...

Lakers are just shot chuck full of injuries. I mean look at the roster even before all their PGs went down and you'd swear the teams from a Dleague.

I posted this a few months back of the Lakers media day and you'd think Kobe got lost with the LA Defenders.
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post #13482 of 27250
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Read this report yesterday and I think the Suns are making a big mistake by putting a big name player in a system they already have working well. I mean the chances of them winning a championship with the current roster is probably almost none but I am not sure who could fit in with them now especially since I think the the players are playing so well because there isn't that one big star in the roster that takes the ball from them shooting 25-30 times per night.

What do you guys think? I think they can make it past the first round depending on who they play with the current roster.

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Report: Suns could be major trade deadline players

Coming into this season, the Suns' plan looked simple: Be terrible one more year, get in the high end of the lottery, and maybe land a franchise player to go with the quality pieces already in place.

Except Jeff Hornacek, Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe and the Morris twins had something else in mind.

Currently, the Suns sit seventh in the West. That's right -- they're in the playoffs currently. So as the trade deadline approaches, instead of being sellers, the Suns might be buyers. Via Yahoo Sports:
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Once Phoenix reached the midway point of its season on Wednesday with Okafor still sidelined with a neck injury, an insurance policy began to take over payment on 80 percent of the remaining $14.4 million on his 2013-14 contract, league sources told Yahoo Sports.

Whoever deals for Okafor before the trade deadline will receive an insurance payout of $5.7 million – roughly $141,000 per game.

For the Suns, the appeal of Okafor's financially friendly deal – armed with approximately $5 million in remaining salary-cap space – has general manager Ryan McDonough on the search to fortify his roster for a playoff run. Despite the loss of point guard Eric Bledsoe to knee surgery, the Suns – 25-18 and holding the seventh seed in the Western Conference playoff chase – are determined to reach the postseason.

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McDonough has expressed publicly his willingness to explore using his draft picks, young assets and cap space to explore possible deals for All-Star-level players who could become available on the market.

The Suns have six first round picks over the next two years, four in this upcoming draft. Four! They also have $5 million in cap space to play with, so add in Okafor's massive expiring deal, and the Suns could be major players at the deadline.

The question for the Suns is how rapidly are they looking to build. They're obviously ahead of schedule right now, but should that influence how they approach their plan? With four picks in this upcoming draft, one considered by many to be potential transcendent, do you really want to part ways with some of the most valuable pieces there are in the NBA? And with four picks, the possibility of moving up in the order is strong.

But the Suns want to make the postseason. It would be a feather in the franchise's cap to be there after moving on from Steve Nash and Amar'e Stoudemire a few years ago, and great experience for their young roster. A lot of that is going to be contingent on Bledsoe coming back healthy, but the team is persevering right now.

I would imagine the Suns aren't interested in a short-term veteran rental, but probably something more that fits long term. Luol Deng would've been a strong candidate, but that ship has already sailed to Cleveland. There's Danny Granger, who the Pacers are sure to shop with his expiring deal. There's Evan Turner, who has been rumored to be available and could fit in at shooting guard. Or how about this one: Zach Randolph, who is on an expiring deal and with the Grizzlies struggling to make the postseason, could be up for grabs soon.

The Suns are in a great spot. They've got financial flexibility, assets, and a young roster in place. Just have to make sure not to get in too big of a hurry after getting a little taste of winning.
post #13483 of 27250
when i watched laker games when kobe came back it seemed to me that he was being more a play maker more than a shooter trying to get double teams. nobody really double teamed him, he couldn't really pivot and get fadeaways off, but he was surprisingly good at getting key passes to the right players. i think kobe could contribute, but we'll see what happens when nash gets back. tho i highly doubt either of them will contribute a ton
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the problem isn't kobe. he's smart and will make the right pass when it's avaialble. it's everybody else stopping to watch what he does. nobody dives, nobody rotates. they might as well order a beer and sit with Jack.
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fuck, now pau is looking to look like a shut-down candidate
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