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post #12406 of 27206
I must admit Ed was far more correct in his analysis than I gave him credit for. I thought he was just Knick stanning and Lebron hating.
post #12407 of 27206
I still don't understand this trading a player for a coach business, they're making shit up on the fly!
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I recently watched this video again and it just blew my mind how far ahead the US is in basketball compared with the rest of the world.  The only country that comes close is Spain, but they don't have the athleticism or the perimeter shooting to keep up with the US.  I wonder how long it will take for the world to achieve basketball parity like it has with soccer...probably never at this rate.

 

Seriously, Carmelo plays 14 minutes, scores 37 points, and goes 10-for-12 from 3-pt range...unbelievable.  The US as a whole shot 29-for-46 from 3.

 

 

Oh, and James Harden, you got SHOOK.  Yes, Mobb Deep was rapping about YOU.

post #12409 of 27206
Nigeria doesn't even have toilets
post #12410 of 27206
We might be far ahead on individual talent, but we have been having trouble with the top tier teams for more than a decade now. We are still good enough to almost always win if we take it seriously, but it's not a sure thing anymore. And when we don't take it seriously we get blown out, like what happened before USAB hired coach K and put together a serious program. I remember that we lost to Puerto Rico in one Olympics or Worlds
post #12411 of 27206
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Originally Posted by diadem View Post

I recently watched this video again and it just blew my mind how far ahead the US is in basketball compared with the rest of the world. 

^really? 2004 the USA mens team (chalk full of allstars from iverson to carmelo to lebron) barely won bronze. italy rained threes on team USA with a bunch of italian stiffs as big men. the funny part is how bad the shooting form a lot of the italian wingmen had - but it was reminiscent of what the Warriors did this year Splash city.

2008 spain gave USA a run.

the NBA teams were smart though and incorporated Euro/international style play that works in the NBA (3pt shooting small ball, mobile centers) - and didn't mess around with the national team training/processes in 2008 (hell the 2008 team was called the "redeem team").

its been compared before but USA basektball was like the late 70's early 80's Canada Hockey national teams. having the majority of the talent eventually didn't overcome stagnation in style of play. the NBA was smart though and GMs quickly adapted to what works euro/international wise into their own teams).

the spurs, small ball heat, golden state, nuggets, 2004-2008 suns, trailblazers all have cribbed from international style of play.
post #12412 of 27206
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^really? 2004 the USA mens team (chalk full of allstars from iverson to carmelo to lebron) barely won bronze. italy rained threes on team USA with a bunch of italian stiffs as big men. the funny part is how bad the shooting form a lot of the italian wingmen had - but it was reminiscent of what the Warriors did this year Splash city.

 

2004 was back when the US wasn't committed to international play. Lamar Odom wearing the red, white, and blue was a dead giveaway that Team USA didn't give a damn back then. I will say that I'm glad the USA went through that stretch, though, because USAB really needed to have a fire lit under their asses.

 

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2008 spain gave USA a run.

 

I don't know about that. I'd say 2012 Spain came closer than 2008 Spain. Kobe pretty much dismantled the 2008 Spanish team by himself. The 4-pt play against Rudy Fernandez (that also caused Fernandez to foul out) comes to mind.

 

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the NBA teams were smart though and incorporated Euro/international style play that works in the NBA (3pt shooting small ball, mobile centers) - and didn't mess around with the national team training/processes in 2008 (hell the 2008 team was called the "redeem team"). the spurs, small ball heat, golden state, nuggets, 2004-2008 suns, trailblazers all have cribbed from international style of play.

 

That's true, but just because the Euros did it first doesn't mean they do it best. Kevin Durant and Carmelo Anthony rarely ever drove down the lane during the London Olympics and just camped outside the 3-pt line (something you never see them do in the NBA). KD had 30 against Spain in the gold medal game. Team USA beat them at their own game. You could see it, too. Spain tried to take fouls to prevent fast break opportunities, but the US still scored a handful of fast break buckets and slaughtered them in the halfcourt with on-point perimeter shooting. Spain had size down low with the Gasol brothers and Serge Ibaka, but that doesn't matter when you don't even have to come into the paint to score your points.
post #12413 of 27206
this has got to be the worst draft in history. granted, i've not seen all of these guys play, but none of the ones i've seen have impressed. maaaaybe Trey Burke, but i'm being charitable

edit - i forgot Otto Porter. he's good. but his ceiling is probably a Jeff Green-type
post #12414 of 27206
Most entertaining draft ever.

Kings got a steal in McClemore. Yeah baby
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this has got to be the worst draft in history. granted, i've not seen all of these guys play, but none of the ones i've seen have impressed. maaaaybe Trey Burke, but i'm being charitable

edit - i forgot Otto Porter. he's good. but his ceiling is probably a Jeff Green-type

Trey Burke is gonna be a good player for a long time. I'm really impressed with his maturity. He's got that look in his eye
post #12416 of 27206
It just occurred to me:

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post #12417 of 27206

What do you guys think about that trade between the Pelicans (ugh...) and the Sixers -- Nerlens Noel and a 2014 first-round protected pick for Jrue Holliday?  I like it and it seems like both teams are filling holes in their teams with this trade.  I'm sure Philly is dying for a solid big man after the Andrew Bynum debacle and New Orleans is trying to find their next Chris Paul -- can't do much better than a young stud PG who's already been to the All-Star game once.  Philly is taking a risk on Noel, though -- knee surgery will sideline him until December.

 

And how about all this talk of KG, Paul Pierce, and Jason Terry all going to the Nets?! That's just insane.  A starting lineup of D-Will, Joe Johnson, Paul Pierce, KG, and Brooke Lopez will be able to match up with the Heat (in the halfcourt, at least) no matter how bad Jason Kidd is at coaching.  Yeah, 3 of the 5 are past their primes, but they're still great players with a lot of veteran toughness and savvy.

post #12418 of 27206
What the hell is this nonsense? Steven Adams with the 12th pick? WTF?! How'd that scouting debrief go?

Scout: Think we found our man, sir.

GM: Great! Tell me about him.

S: Seven feet tall, decent frame, raw.

G: Okay, not bad at the 12 spot, I guess. How'd he do in college?

S: Seven points, six rebounds. A real all-around game.

G: White guy? Black guy? Chinese?

S: White.

G: Good. White centers in the NBA are usually really productive. Never injured. How old is he?

S: Nineteen. Played one year at Pitt.

G: Well, as long as he'd been a winner somewhere. Did he face elite level competition in high school?

S: Absolutely. He dominated New Zealand high school basketball.

G: Sounds legit! Draft him!
post #12419 of 27206
Sixers fan here, and I really like the trade. Holiday was too good for this bad team, and left us middling so no top lotto picks.

Noel has a ton of potential, and MCW slides in as a PG with size and great analytic stats. The protected Pelicans 1st-rounder next year is gravy. The Sixers are in full-on rebuild mode, and have a shot to suck so bad next year as to get Wiggins plus another lotto player.

There is risk here, and I'd underline that more so because Holiday has a good contract, but the Sixers needed to shake things up and that's what they did.
post #12420 of 27206
seriously, i can't think of the last terrible draft that would be worse than this one. does anyone have All Star written all over him? New Orleans is the winner so far by somehow getting Jrue Holliday, who's better than anyone in this draft
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