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post #1231 of 27206
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Originally Posted by guster View Post
Now if the guy would only learn to shoot more along the lines of the way a Jason kidd worked on and improved his range, he would truly be in the running for best PG in the league.

I'm of the 90's generation so even though there is empirical evidence that Jason Kidd is a great shooter I still think of him as having that weird shot put form and bricking up jumpers every shot.

I remember hearing about his legend back in basketball camps I went to in the 90's about how he was the next big thing, but his shooting form was abysmal.
post #1232 of 27206
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i'm not going to argue too much because, well, they were the team of destiny, ultimately. but i do think perspective has a lot to do with it. as a guy who has watched almost every laker game in the last 8-9 years, there were PLENTY of blown games as well ... and a lot of th ose last-second wins should have been third-quarter blow-outs.

but the 2009-2010 lakers did what was best for them and finished top of the western conference, had the #1 speed and used home court
post #1233 of 27206
I don't think Kidd was ever even close to a great shooter. He worked to get to aplace where they could not leave him alone but no one was calling him Ray Allen or Reggie Miller!

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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post
I'm of the 90's generation so even though there is empirical evidence that Jason Kidd is a great shooter I still think of him as having that weird shot put form and bricking up jumpers every shot.

I remember hearing about his legend back in basketball camps I went to in the 90's about how he was the next big thing, but his shooting form was abysmal.
post #1234 of 27206
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NBA to allow skin-tight uniforms for All-Star game

The jerseys that NBA players wear every night are pretty tame by the standards of contemporary uniforms. They're fairly loose, feature few colors like teal or the neon yellow adored by the University of Oregon, and generally are engineered to appeal to as many fans as possible. That's why pretty much every team in the league wears blue or red, the least offensive colors of all-time, unless you're a hardcore political activist or a gang member.

However, it turns out the league and adidas have different sartorial plans for the All-Star game. For the first time ever, players will have the option of wearing skin-tight jersey tops. From Paul Lukas at the essential Uni Watch:

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Most NBA players these days wear a compression tank top under their jersey. So why not just skip the jersey and wear the compression undergarment function as the uniform top?

That's an idea that the NBA has decided to test-drive in the upcoming all-star game. The league will announce today that all players in that game will have the option of wearing skin-tight compression tanks instead of the standard Adidas jerseys.

It isn't yet clear how many people will take the league up on this offer.

As Lukas notes, the compression top is already standard for players, so this will be a case of the participants shedding a layer rather than changing one. Of course, part of what makes this new look somewhat silly is that it's matched with baggy shorts, a combination that does actually make it so the players look like they forgot to put on their tops. The French national soccer team plays with skin-tight tops, as well, but they look less ridiculous because their shorts match the style.
Regardless, this look exists, and we must learn to deal with it. The question now is who will wear them? Derrick Rose(notes) seems like a certainty since he's involved in the publicity photos above, and Dwight Howard(notes) is also likely since he's sponsored by adidas and generally likes everything that makes him look more like a superhero.

The one major problem for adidas here is that most stars are affiliated with Nike and seem unlikely to give a rival sports apparel outfitter more press. So feel bad for Rose, Howard, and whoever else joins them, because they're all going to look like they lost a bet.


post #1235 of 27206
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Originally Posted by guster View Post
I don't think Kidd was ever even close to a great shooter. He worked to get to aplace where they could not leave him alone but no one was calling him Ray Allen or Reggie Miller!


kidd averaged over 40% from 3 point range in 2007, 2008, 2009

thats great 3 point shooting.
post #1236 of 27206
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As much I want to gloat about the Spurs losing, I am more pissed that Portland won. It makes it more difficult for the Clips to make that 8th spot. Can't be mad at Aldridge though, 40/11/2/3/1.
post #1237 of 27206
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As much I want to gloat about the Spurs losing, I am more pissed that Portland won. It makes it more difficult for the Clips to make that 8th spot. Can't be mad at Aldridge though, 40/11/2/3/1.
there's a trade to be made by portland right? they have assets (even including oden). would steve nash be good on that team ? he could do the pick and roll with aldridge and maybe even give brandon roy a new life as a spot up shooter on kick outs. I was watching the bos vs sacramento game on TV and really was impressed/entertained by Cousins. He has superstar potential but is also a walking mental health timebomb. He was talking even more smack (i never heard so many N-bombs yelled out by another player) than KG and would shriek out like a girl whenever a shot would be put up by the celtics. but he had 3 point range AND a inside game. he's also got hops. he's kinda like the crazy/on the verge of crying/ of Lamarcus Aldridge.
post #1238 of 27206
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Nah, no one would want Oden or even BRoy right now. Both are practically almost at the end of their career, which is very sad to see. I don't think nash would fit in well with Portland, they actually play defense. They need bigs, a durable big, maybe someone like Gortat.

I don't think Nash can help Roy to be honest. Roys game has always been isolation and creating his own shots, if he can develop into a spot up shooter then he might still have a career in him but he might be like Jrmaine Oneal, play 1 game rest a week and then play a game and then rest a week. As a coach, that is certainly very frustrating.

Del Negro has admitted that Kaman is open for a trade, The Clips could use someone like Batum for the 3 spot, not an even trade but throw in a pick and it might be doable.
post #1239 of 27206
great games tonight. batum is untouchable according to the blazers FO. kaman for igoudala was all but done until kaman went down with that ankle injury..that would have REALLY make the clips interesting.
post #1240 of 27206
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Around December when Batum struggled and Matthews did well, Portland started letting people know that Batum isn't untouchable anymore but since it seems unlikely that Roy will return this season, they'd keep him instead.
post #1241 of 27206
Kidd is a great point guard, passer and excellnet defender. But you have to be kidding trying to defend him as a "great shooter".

His all time FG% is .403. His all time 3ptFG% is .349. Both are below the NBA average for guards. In his 2nd best ever FG% shooting year '09/10 he shot .423. Which places him around 40th for guards in the NBA. He has been a much better shooter from 3 point range. In the last 3 years you give he finished 7th, 19th and 35th for Guards in 3 point shooting.

My point was that Rondo should work on his game and become a much better shooter - just like Kidd did. Early in his career, teams played off Kidd - just like they do Rondo. Kidd developed into an very good 3 point shooter. Still not as strong with overall shooting. And even though Kidd shot very well from 3pt range in more recent years, overall he is an average shooter, not great.


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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post
kidd averaged over 40% from 3 point range in 2007, 2008, 2009

thats great 3 point shooting.
post #1242 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post
As much I want to gloat about the Spurs losing, I am more pissed that Portland won. It makes it more difficult for the Clips to make that 8th spot.

Can't be mad at Aldridge though, 40/11/2/3/1.

They're just coasting, waiting for the playoffs.

Blair's numbers are getting better and better, even Better than Bynum's. Nevertheless, I'd be very pleasantly surprised if the Spurs beat the Lakers tomorrow night.
post #1243 of 27206
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I was wondering why Artest wasn't getting much burn on the court lately, fuck, looks like an implosion is coming pretty soon.

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Ron Artest wants to be traded away from the Lakers, a source tells ESPN's Marc Stein.

Artest clearly isn't happy with his role, but the Lakers can't be happy with his play either. Artest looks brutally slow, is shooting 40.7 percent from the field and isn't even defending at a high level. Considering he will have three years and $22 million left on his contract after this season, trading Artest will be almost impossible. He's destined to be a marginal part of the Lakers' plans going forward, whether he likes it or not. Artest would do well to keep his mouth shut and simply try to earn a bigger role on offense.

Trade Artest and Bynum for Carmelo... NOW!!!!
Do it Mitch!
post #1244 of 27206
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post
I was wondering why Artest wasn't getting much burn on the court lately, fuck, looks like an implosion is coming pretty soon.



Trade Artest and Bynum for Carmelo... NOW!!!!
Do it Mitch!

no.
i think it is premature to act on a few games lost right now. i see artest not being that bad of a player to be honest and will be better as playoffs near. bynum is playing well. i dont get this.
post #1245 of 27206
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Yes if it is doable. Artest is a head case, his manage has denied the rumors but it's not because of the losses, it's because Jackson hasn't used him lately. He got Walton guarding Pierce on Sunday for the most part, fucking Walton. I mean there must be something happening to be buried behind him. Last night, they went on a small line-up and it's not so that they can switch it up and rotate either because the Lakers clearly didn't do that last night. Artest should have been guarding Martin so Kobe doesn't exhaust himself on defense.

As for Bynum, injuries man, injuries. His knee is hurt again, good news is it's not the one that had the surgery. The bad news is, it is another injury. He is playing well and if that is enough bait to get him traded for someone that are less prone to injury, I'd do it.

Really now, if Denver offered Melo for Bynum and Artest, I'd take that trade. The Lakers are getting old, Kobe has a few years left as the top dog. Melo could be that new face LA will be looking for once Kobe steps down or becomes a secondary option on offense. Right now, the way Odom has been playing, I think they can afford to lose Bynum and have a decent back-up center that just defends.
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