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post #9811 of 18407
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yeah, it's a big concern. the new rules basically make it prohibitively expensive to keep 3 max guys and I believe that the era of superstar laden teams is just about over. I lamented the Thunder breakup over the offseason, which was caused to a great extent by salary cap fears. later on it will be the Heat and probably the Lakers.

as I said before it sucks because the existence of super teams is what made this league so globally popular in the first place (lakers, celtics, bulls)
post #9812 of 18407
these salary cap rules are REALLY working out well so far....
post #9813 of 18407
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

yeah, it's a big concern. the new rules basically make it prohibitively expensive to keep 3 max guys and I believe that the era of superstar laden teams is just about over. I lamented the Thunder breakup over the offseason, which was caused to a great extent by salary cap fears. later on it will be the Heat and probably the Lakers.
as I said before it sucks because the existence of super teams is what made this league so globally popular in the first place (lakers, celtics, bulls)

I like parody. The English Premier League has amazing parody and is as popular as ever. Formula 1 had its most competitive season in decades and had huge audiences. While I dont watch the NFL I do see the standings and it seems there is parody there as well.

I'm glad the new rules stop this. If guys want to play together, let them sacrifice some dough for it. The more parody, the better. I don't see how its good for the league to have games like Sac - Dal last night.
post #9814 of 18407
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

I like parody. The English Premier League has amazing parody

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Year English Premier League champions:
2010-11 Manchester United
2009-10 Chelsea
2008-9 Manchester United
2007-8 Manchester United
2006-7 Manchester United
2005-06 Chelsea
2004-05 Chelsea
2003-04 Arsenal
2002-03 Manchester United
2001-02 Arsenal
2000-01 Manchester United
1999-00 Manchester United
1998-99 Manchester United
1997-98 Arsenal
1996-97 Manchester United
1995-96 Manchester United
1994-95 Blackburn Rovers - yup thats parody for ya!
1993-94 Manchester United
1992-93 Manchester United

remember there's no playoffs in the EPL... best regular season record is the best team and champions.
post #9815 of 18407
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

I'm glad the new rules stop this. If guys want to play together, let them sacrifice some dough for it.

But Wade, Lebron & Bosh already sacrificed plenty of $$$ (~$15mil each) and might still be forced to break-up. I mean I am not a big fan of those 3's egos as many of you know but it seems like they did some sacrifice to get the menage a trois they have going on in Miami.
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

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Year English Premier League champions:
2010-11 Manchester United
2009-10 Chelsea
2008-9 Manchester United
2007-8 Manchester United
2006-7 Manchester United
2005-06 Chelsea
2004-05 Chelsea
2003-04 Arsenal
2002-03 Manchester United
2001-02 Arsenal
2000-01 Manchester United
1999-00 Manchester United
1998-99 Manchester United
1997-98 Arsenal
1996-97 Manchester United
1995-96 Manchester United
1994-95 Blackburn Rovers - yup thats parody for ya!
1993-94 Manchester United
1992-93 Manchester United
remember there's no playoffs in the EPL... best regular season record is the best team and champions.

2011 - 12 Manchester City

Sorry, I should have qualified that better. Parody game to game, close battles for the title, great relegation fights, lots of upsets.

It may look dominant when you see Man U like that but there were some very close, last last game of the season, type fights for the title.
post #9817 of 18407
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

2011 - 12 Manchester City
Sorry, I should have qualified that better. Parody game to game, close battles for the title, great relegation fights, lots of upsets.
It may look dominant when you see Man U like that but there were some very close, last last game of the season, type fights for the title.

great so there is a total of 2 teams that broke into the last decade of dominance of Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal. of course soccer is going to be fucking close games... they only score like 2 goals in 90min/game. soccer is weird... there can be one sided totally dominate games and still end in a fucking tie. Or really close games that end 2-0. 2-0 could be a blowout.

the whole reason Man City won last year is that a billionare owner spent loads of cash to get players (since there's no real salary cap).... oh yeah... thats how Man U, and Chelsea operate too.

Arsenal does go creative and win with on a budget, but thats because they moneyball/scout/analytics the shit out of their player acquisitions + they still have a pretty good budget to begin with to spend on superstars.

in the last decade its been the huge money teams that end up as champions in all the major soccer leagues.
post #9818 of 18407
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

I'm happy for him and the problem they have in Houston is figuring out how to have the ball in his hands and the ball in Hardens hands. I think the ideal is having Lin with the ball in his hands most of the time and have Harden be a wing/slasher guy that comes of a lot fo screens.
I'm not talking Lakers anymore, getting reprimanded too much. A team that I was surprised with were the BobCats. What did they win, 6 games last year? The game I saw, they were very competitive against a superior team, Walker is playing really good, Kidd Ghilchrist is doing better than I would have thought and Byombo is so raw but you can tell that guy can turn into a defensive monster. And the coach, who I never heard of, has really got them believing and palying hard. Obviously the talent is not there but huge leap from last year.
On the other side, what is going on with Indy and Toronto? I thought this was going to be Hibberts break out year, the guy has so many tools. And Toronto was competitive in almost every game last year.

Lin has game.

Ed, there is a similarity between Harden and Melo regarding Lin.

Bobcats are great this year compared to last year. They need to keep the intensity up and win big in the lotto this year and get more talent. Good coaching job by Dunlap.

Indy and Toronto are tuning their coach out. Hibbert - seriously disappointing.
post #9819 of 18407
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Ok I gave Bobcats their credit when they matched they win total from last season but come on now, they aren't that great, they are currently in an 8-game losing streak.
post #9820 of 18407
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

great so there is a total of 2 teams that broke into the last decade of dominance of Man U/Chelsea/Arsenal. of course soccer is going to be fucking close games... they only score like 2 goals in 90min/game. soccer is weird... there can be one sided totally dominate games and still end in a fucking tie. Or really close games that end 2-0. 2-0 could be a blowout.
the whole reason Man City won last year is that a billionare owner spent loads of cash to get players (since there's no real salary cap).... oh yeah... thats how Man U, and Chelsea operate too.
Arsenal does go creative and win with on a budget, but thats because they moneyball/scout/analytics the shit out of their player acquisitions + they still have a pretty good budget to begin with to spend on superstars.
in the last decade its been the huge money teams that end up as champions in all the major soccer leagues.

In football, yes, 1 - 0 can be a blowout, even 0 - 0 can be. Its more nuanced since its a low scoring game. I've seen 4 - 0 games that were close as hell for 75 mins. With football talent is really watered down across the pitch. Not in the NBA. A superstar striker may only touch the ball 20 times in 90 mins whereas in NBA he'd get 20 touches/quarter.

Its much harder to be dominant in football unless you spend in 22 positions. These top teams play so many games that you basically need 2 squads. NBA has fininte number of games. A top club like Barcelona can play up to 70 x 90 min matches in a year. And relegation adds lots of interest.

All told, it adds up to a pretty exciting league even if it seems only a few teams win and wealth is consolidated among a few clubs.

Same goes for F1, only a few very rich teams win but this last season was one of the most exciting ever.

I realize I am kind of contradicting myself here, but these 2 sports underwent decades of utter dominance and boredom.

In F1 the democratization of technology and testing/spending limits has made a huge difference. Also, many more great drivers out there being spotted.

In football, there is such a huge firehose of big time talent out there that its much easier to have a very competive squad for a fraction of the price. The Bosman ruling as well as extensive scouting and frankly shit like youtube has really engendered parody. Look at Borussia Dortmund, they spend a fraction of what Chelsea, Man City, Barca, Real Madrid spend, yet they play the best football in the world at the moment (at least I think).
Edited by idfnl - 12/11/12 at 11:08am
post #9821 of 18407
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

these salary cap rules are REALLY working out well so far....
sarcasm?
post #9822 of 18407
Parity gentlemen. Not Parody.
post #9823 of 18407
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

All told, it adds up to a pretty exciting league even if it seems like only a few teams win and wealth is consolidated with a small number of clubs.
Same goes for F1, only a few very rich teams win but this last season was one of the most exciting ever.

you just explained the last 5 years of NBA basketball facepalm.gif the last two years alone were awesome and it still ended up with two superteams battling it out in the finals.

you're a fan of parity but don't watch the NFL? facepalm.gif
post #9824 of 18407
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Originally Posted by ThinkDerm View Post

Parity gentlemen. Not Parody.

I used parody correctly in my arguments mwink[1].gif

because it seems like some peoples' version of parity is borderline parody.
post #9825 of 18407
i'm breaking my fingers after typing this, but idfnl has a point. parity doesn't necessarily mean an equal number of wins, it just means equal talent. good teams are still going to dominate, but they'll have to earn it rather than buy it.
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