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post #9496 of 19271
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

30 years of watching NBA... Damian Lillard is one of the best rookies I have ever seen. I'm actually going out of my way to way Por games, he's that good. He'd start over all but 5 or 6 point guards in the Assn. And that Por team has something to say. Aldridge, Batum, Lillard... that has conf finals 2014 written all over it.

some great rookies of recent:

1. larry bird
2. magic johnson
3. shaquile oneil
4. tim duncan
5. lebron james
6. michael jordan
7. david robinson


I don't know if damian lillard cracks the top 7 on that particular list. He's really poised, can ball, and has the weird x-factor of brass balls + talent in the clutch, but I don't know if he even wins rookie of the year this year. Mono-Brow is playing awesome too.
post #9497 of 19271
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

some great rookies of recent:
1. larry bird
2. magic johnson
3. shaquile oneil
4. tim duncan
5. lebron james
6. michael jordan
7. david robinson
I don't know if damian lillard cracks the top 7 on that particular list. He's really poised, can ball, and has the weird x-factor of brass balls + talent in the clutch, but I don't know if he even wins rookie of the year this year. Mono-Brow is playing awesome too.


Did you see him nailing 3's against Hou the other night? Mother of god.

Magic, Bird were rooks before my time. David Robinson, very close.

But, better first 10 games than anyone on that list save MJ (R, A, P):

Washington Bullets 6 7 16
Milwaukee Bucks 5 5 21
Milwaukee Bucks 4 5 37
Kansas City Kings 4 5 25
Denver Nuggets 5 5 17
Detroit Pistons 4 3 25
New York Knicks 8 5 33
Indiana Pacers 9 4 27
San Antonio Spurs 10 4 45

Not really.

I'm telling you guys. This kid.
post #9498 of 19271
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Did you see him nailing 3's against Hou the other night? Mother of god.
Magic, Bird were rooks before my time. David Robinson, very close.
But, better first 10 games than anyone on that list save MJ (R, A, P):
Washington Bullets 6 7 16
Milwaukee Bucks 5 5 21
Milwaukee Bucks 4 5 37
Kansas City Kings 4 5 25
Denver Nuggets 5 5 17
Detroit Pistons 4 3 25
New York Knicks 8 5 33
Indiana Pacers 9 4 27
San Antonio Spurs 10 4 45
Not really.
I'm telling you guys. This kid.

^ he's doing great. but 10 game sample size.... its still very early... I'm sure Portland Fans are going to lin-sanity levels with him. Linsanity taught us to enjoy the run but be cautious of anointing the next NBA superstars so quickly.

Lets just finish the whole 82 game season. The west is loooooaaaaded so portland may not even get into the playoffs with a decent record.
post #9499 of 19271
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

^ he's doing great. but 10 game sample size.... its still very early... I'm sure Portland Fans are going to lin-sanity levels with him. Linsanity taught us to enjoy the run but be cautious of anointing the next NBA superstars so quickly.
Lets just finish the whole 82 game season. The west is loooooaaaaded so portland may not even get into the playoffs with a decent record.

Look back on my posts about Lin. I was very skeptical of him. He is actually playing pretty well, but not at a superstar level.

I think Lillard is a different story. He has Lin's poise but has a different level of athletic ability. That's the difference maker, the assn rewards athletes often to the detriment of brains. I see a complete package here. Agree its too early to tell, but you tell me: name me 5 PGs you'd start over him tomorrow?

Williams, Paul, Westbrook, Rondo, maybe Dragic, but probably not. He's be next for me.
post #9500 of 19271
Lillard is awesome. i think i made the first post hyping him after the season started. he's also on my fantasy team.

statistically, he's only comparable to the rookie reasons of the recent top PG's though. he's around 19/3/6 right now with great FT% and below average FG% (not too bad because he shoots so many threes so his TS% is a lot better). that's roughly comparable to the rookie seasons of Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans.

the gold standard for rookie PG seasons in the last 10 years for me is Chris Paul - not so much because of the numbers (i think Lillard is actually scoring more), but because he turned the Hornets' record around by 20 wins or so. if you want to go back 20 years, the best rookie seasons were Allen Iverson's and Damon Stoudamire's. and i'm only talking about PG's, which is the only fair comparison to make.

anyway, he's still great to watch and he carries himself with a veteran swagger and seems to be ready to claim the Blazers as his team. he wouldn't be the only reason Portland does well, though, because Batum is also lighting it up.
post #9501 of 19271
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

name me 5 PGs you'd start over him tomorrow?
Williams, Paul, Westbrook, Rondo, maybe Dragic, but probably not. He's be next for me.
the first four plus Kyrie Irving. Irving is already a superstar in his second season. after that, Lillard is in serious consideration - i see him as on a roughly equal tier with Dragic, Brandon Jennings and Kyle Lowry
post #9502 of 19271
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Lillard is awesome. i think i made the first post hyping him after the season started. he's also on my fantasy team.
statistically, he's only comparable to the rookie reasons of the recent top PG's though. he's around 19/3/6 right now with great FT% and below average FG% (not too bad because he shoots so many threes so his TS% is a lot better). that's roughly comparable to the rookie seasons of Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans.
the gold standard for rookie PG seasons in the last 10 years for me is Chris Paul - not so much because of the numbers (i think Lillard is actually scoring more), but because he turned the Hornets' record around by 20 wins or so. if you want to go back 20 years, the best rookie seasons were Allen Iverson's and Damon Stoudamire's. and i'm only talking about PG's, which is the only fair comparison to make.
anyway, he's still great to watch and he carries himself with a veteran swagger and seems to be ready to claim the Blazers as his team. he wouldn't be the only reason Portland does well, though, because Batum is also lighting it up.

So he's in the same category as some pretty serious talent and he's making everyone around him better.

You're right about Iverson, that was a stellar first season.
post #9503 of 19271
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Lillard is awesome. i think i made the first post hyping him after the season started. he's also on my fantasy team.
statistically, he's only comparable to the rookie reasons of the recent top PG's though. he's around 19/3/6 right now with great FT% and below average FG% (not too bad because he shoots so many threes so his TS% is a lot better). that's roughly comparable to the rookie seasons of Kyrie Irving, John Wall, Derrick Rose and Tyreke Evans.
the gold standard for rookie PG seasons in the last 10 years for me is Chris Paul - not so much because of the numbers (i think Lillard is actually scoring more), but because he turned the Hornets' record around by 20 wins or so. if you want to go back 20 years, the best rookie seasons were Allen Iverson's and Damon Stoudamire's. and i'm only talking about PG's, which is the only fair comparison to make.
anyway, he's still great to watch and he carries himself with a veteran swagger and seems to be ready to claim the Blazers as his team. he wouldn't be the only reason Portland does well, though, because Batum is also lighting it up.

Don't forget Wesley Mathews, my Marquette alum.
post #9504 of 19271
I'd put Chris Paul, Westbrook, d will, Irving, Brandon jennings, Kyle Lowry, mike Conley, Stephan curry, dragic, over rondo and there's a few more until lillard at least in a fantasy perspective.

People always overlook rondos category killing FTP.

Lillard is great but it's his rookie season and he seems to be over performing and his fgp is pretty low. I think it starts with a 3. Like Larry said lets wait a little til we crown a new superstar.
post #9505 of 19271
^we were talking about real life but Lillard is pretty studly in fantasy as well. he averages the most 3's of any PG-eligible player and he shoots almost 44%. that is absolutely huge in fantasy and the reason why you drafted Ray Allen and Reggie Miller in the first couple of rounds when they were in their primes. he shoots 85% from the line with about 4 attempts a game which helps a lot, and he's top 20 in assists and top 5 in scoring among PG's. add more than a steal per game and decently low TO's for a primary ballhandler and you have fantasy gold.

i agree that we should wait before calling him a superstar but the kid did this in his first 9 games in the league! i'm sure he'll have the normal rookie ups and downs but over time he should still get much better with experience and development. you'd seriously put 10 other guys "plus a few more" in front of him?
post #9506 of 19271
surprised that the Andrew Bynum bowling injury hasn't come up
post #9507 of 19271
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

^we were talking about real life but Lillard is pretty studly in fantasy as well. he averages the most 3's of any PG-eligible player and he shoots almost 44%. that is absolutely huge in fantasy and the reason why you drafted Ray Allen and Reggie Miller in the first couple of rounds when they were in their primes. he shoots 85% from the line with about 4 attempts a game which helps a lot, and he's top 20 in assists and top 5 in scoring among PG's. add more than a steal per game and decently low TO's for a primary ballhandler and you have fantasy gold.
i agree that we should wait before calling him a superstar but the kid did this in his first 9 games in the league! i'm sure he'll have the normal rookie ups and downs but over time he should still get much better with experience and development. you'd seriously put 10 other guys "plus a few more" in front of him?

yes because his performance seems unreal. a sample size of 9 is way too low whereas with the top guys we know what we're going to get. he might be fantasy gold now, but when his shots cool off (don't you think 44% at treys is a little unreasonable?) maybe you have gold maybe you have pyrite.

if i had lillard i would sell high. very very high, but still a sell
post #9508 of 19271
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

I'd put Chris Paul, Westbrook, d will, Irving, Brandon jennings, Kyle Lowry, mike Conley, Stephan curry, dragic, over rondo and there's a few more until lillard at least in a fantasy perspective.
People always overlook rondos category killing FTP.
Lillard is great but it's his rookie season and he seems to be over performing and his fgp is pretty low. I think it starts with a 3. Like Larry said lets wait a little til we crown a new superstar.

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

^we were talking about real life but Lillard is pretty studly in fantasy as well. he averages the most 3's of any PG-eligible player and he shoots almost 44%. that is absolutely huge in fantasy and the reason why you drafted Ray Allen and Reggie Miller in the first couple of rounds when they were in their primes. he shoots 85% from the line with about 4 attempts a game which helps a lot, and he's top 20 in assists and top 5 in scoring among PG's. add more than a steal per game and decently low TO's for a primary ballhandler and you have fantasy gold.
i agree that we should wait before calling him a superstar but the kid did this in his first 9 games in the league! i'm sure he'll have the normal rookie ups and downs but over time he should still get much better with experience and development. you'd seriously put 10 other guys "plus a few more" in front of him?

If you have him # 2 or # 3 PG you're sitting pretty...
post #9509 of 19271
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

yes because his performance seems unreal. a sample size of 9 is way too low whereas with the top guys we know what we're going to get. he might be fantasy gold now, but when his shots cool off (don't you think 44% at treys is a little unreasonable?) maybe you have gold maybe you have pyrite.
if i had lillard i would sell high. very very high, but still a sell
just to clarify, he shoots a bit under 44% on all FG attempts. he shoots a bit worse than that on 3-pt attempts. i am getting some bullshit offers for him (Tyreke Evans being the best). i think i'd let him go for a second or third rounder like Ibaka or Melo
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

If you have him # 2 or # 3 PG you're sitting pretty...
i do have him at #2 behind Kyrie Irving happy.gif
post #9510 of 19271
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

I'd put Chris Paul, Westbrook, d will, Irving, Brandon jennings, Kyle Lowry, mike Conley, Stephan curry, dragic, over rondo and there's a few more until lillard at least in a fantasy perspective.
People always overlook rondos category killing FTP.
Lillard is great but it's his rookie season and he seems to be over performing and his fgp is pretty low. I think it starts with a 3. Like Larry said lets wait a little til we crown a new superstar.

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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

^we were talking about real life but Lillard is pretty studly in fantasy as well. he averages the most 3's of any PG-eligible player and he shoots almost 44%. that is absolutely huge in fantasy and the reason why you drafted Ray Allen and Reggie Miller in the first couple of rounds when they were in their primes. he shoots 85% from the line with about 4 attempts a game which helps a lot, and he's top 20 in assists and top 5 in scoring among PG's. add more than a steal per game and decently low TO's for a primary ballhandler and you have fantasy gold.
i agree that we should wait before calling him a superstar but the kid did this in his first 9 games in the league! i'm sure he'll have the normal rookie ups and downs but over time he should still get much better with experience and development. you'd seriously put 10 other guys "plus a few more" in front of him?

That's where I was headed. I'm talking about him IRL. He just seems like a superstar.
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