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post #9331 of 18186
That Waiters kid in Cleveland can play. Never looks pressured or in a hurry, shows a burst when necessary, plays alot like Rondo in this respect but much more of a shoot first guy.
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Don't mean to open a can of worms just posting an article. biggrin.gif
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James Harden disappointed Thunder didn't give him more time to consider offer

HOUSTON – Even with the rapid embrace of life as the franchise player for the Houston Rockets, something still troubles All-Star guard James Harden about the way his departure unfolded with the Oklahoma City Thunder: Why didn't officials give him longer than an hour to consider a final four-year, $54 million offer before trading him?

"After everything we established – everything we had done – you give me an hour?" Harden told Yahoo! Sports on Monday afternoon. "This was one of the biggest decisions of my life. I wanted to go home and pray about it. It hurt me. It hurt."

Asked if additional time might have caused him to accept a deal several million dollars short of the $60 million maximum contract Harden had long sought, he responded: "Who knows? Another day, who knows what another day would've done?"

Looking back a week later, Harden believes he likely had to leave his sixth-man role in Oklahoma City and become what Houston general manager Daryl Morey calls the Rockets' "foundational player" for the public to truly understand the depth of Harden's abilities.

"I was there with talented guys in Oklahoma City, some All-Star guys, and I would've been in the back seat there – which I was fine with – but I wouldn't have gotten the chance to show how talented I really am," Harden said. "It's a different opportunity for me here."

Thunder and Rockets executives give the same explanation for the timing of the trade four days prior to the Oct. 31 deadline for contract extensions: Houston needed a deal done on that Saturday, because Rockets officials felt that was the bare minimum to assure they could get their eventual five-year, $80 million deal with Harden into place.

Houston had been pressing hard to complete the trade on that Friday, but Thunder GM Sam Presti waited until Saturday to present his final offer with a 60-minute deadline to accept. Presti believed the Thunder would've lost leverage in potential trade packages if rivals weren't sure they could keep Harden off the restricted free-agent market next summer.

Oklahoma City traded Harden, Cole Aldrich, Daequan Cook and Lazar Hayward to the Rockets for Kevin Martin, Jeremy Lamb and two first-round draft picks. For the Thunder, the trading of Harden was a financial decision.

The organization wasn't willing to deal with the punishing luxury-tax consequences and restricted roster flexibility that would come with paying a third player beyond Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook a maximum contract. Oklahoma City had drafted Harden with the third overall pick in the 2009 NBA draft, and he rapidly developed into a 2012 All-Star and gold-medal-winning player for Team USA in the London Olympics.

"I think they valued my talent there," Harden said. "They built me there: my work ethic, my body. They changed my life. I think they know how good I can be."

Harden has made an immense impact on the Rockets: Back-to-back games of 37 and 45 points in victories earned him Western Conference Player of the Week honors. Most of all, the performances affirmed his readiness to be a leading man. Harden insists he's embraced the role of franchise player, of team builder, of the star responsible for setting the tone.

"That's why they brought me here for: to embrace the leadership, to embrace building the camaraderie," Harden said.

On the way out of Oklahoma City, Harden has been naturally aware of the public debate his contract talks and eventual trade inspired.

"I heard a lot of those things," Harden said. "I heard that I was greedy; that I didn't care about winning; heard the questioning of my loyalty. And I'm thinking: 'Of course I want to win. I've been winning my entire life.'

"Everybody has their own opinion about me [as a role player and focus of a team]. I can do both: I'm versatile. Growing up in college, in high school, I was the focal point. I was the leader. I was the go-to guy. I was the third overall pick. I took a back seat and did whatever it took for the team to win. Some nights I scored, some nights I passed. Whatever was needed to win.

"Now, I'm back to my old ways: Needing to be the leader, needing to score. In any situation, I'm going to be good."
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--james-harden-disappointed-thunder-didn-t-give-him-more-time-to-consider-offer-06561809.html;_ylt=A2KJjai6yplQ9WYAK3LQtDMD
post #9333 of 18186
I dont believe he really had an hour to review the offer.
post #9334 of 18186
Undefeated!!


Knicks, baby, Knicks.
post #9335 of 18186
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

I dont believe he really had an hour to review the offer.

The final offer likely did, I mean look at how quick that trade happened? No one was even aware until the news broke and trade has been done, no chance for the rumor to even hit the social media and someone usually leaks this kind of stuff if there is big trade like this will happen. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the already knew about the Rockets trade offer before offering Harden the $55mil and likely told Harden he has an hour to decide. I really see no reason for Harden to lie.
post #9336 of 18186
there was a somewhat similar situation with olshey leaving the clips (gm who built this this version). apparently paul allen made him an offer contingent upon olshey not going back to sterling for a counter.
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sorry about the Oscar Robertson! total brain-fart. actually, i was thinking of goodrich. but same difference.
and just to be clear, i was not moaning about those lean years. i was responding to a poster who implied that the lakers had never had anything but glory years. at least that's what i understood his implication to be.
and trust me, i know about long-suffering franchises. i am a washington redskins fan since 1971.shog[1].gif

I'm sorry.

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+1
i actually like kobe. he is who he is. and on the basketball court, there's nobody better (dude is shooting 56% this year). private life is another matter, but thankfully i don't have to be a part of that. shaq is an entertainer ... he'll be who you want him to be. and while he was incredibly gifted athletically, i never felt like he achieved everything he could have because, well, he was just a big lazy slug in a lot of ways.

This is so true. Shaq could have accomplished much more if he had been willing to stay in shape.
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dude, i was indoctrinated in the sonny jurgensen to charley taylor days.icon_gu_b_slayer[1].gif

Ah, yes. The old Over-the-Hill Gang. I remember those days. . .
post #9338 of 18186
Still undefeated.

Knicks, baby, Knicks!!!
post #9339 of 18186
aha! so there was a Harden ultimatum!! i am vindicated
post #9340 of 18186
This is the absolute LULZ, last night, thats M Brown crossing the picture


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post #9341 of 18186
Undefeated!!! Knicks, baby, Knicks!!
post #9342 of 18186
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

This is the absolute LULZ, last night, thats M Brown crossing the picture
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I really am curious how long before that BS offense ends? Or how long before Mike Brown gets fired?


He has a 4-year contract iirc, if they fire him they'd still have to pay him what he is owed? Because I really hope one more loss and he is gone. Get Jerry Sloan up in LA!
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Still can't believe they hired Open-Mouthed Mike Brown.
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

I really am curious how long before that BS offense ends? Or how long before Mike Brown gets fired?
He has a 4-year contract iirc, if they fire him they'd still have to pay him what he is owed? Because I really hope one more loss and he is gone. Get Jerry Sloan up in LA!

From my understanding yes they would still owe him the remaining (2?) years left on the contract....

Clippers found out the hard way in a similar coaching issue when Sterling decided not to pay the previous coach (Dunleavy) after axing him. For what its worth (if it even gets that far), I believe there was a quote from Jeannie Buss earlier this pre-season saying something along the lines of "Phil would love to coach this current Lakers squad." Phil would want $$$$ though.
post #9345 of 18186
Undefeated!!! Knicks, baby, Knicks!!
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