or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Entertainment and Culture › NBA 2014-2015 Season Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

NBA 2014-2015 Season Thread - Page 618

post #9256 of 19362
i'm rather enjoying you attempting to equate 2.3 million dollars per year over 5 years as "not that big" and "likely to make up"
post #9257 of 19362
oh he's only leaving $2.3M on the table per year.

i'd like to see 90% of the people on this thread forfeit 1% of that ($23,000)
post #9258 of 19362
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

i'm rather enjoying you attempting to equate 2.3 million dollars per year over 5 years as "not that big" and "likely to make up"

Eh, to these players that is like chump change. They can make that up in endorsement or somewhere else. I'd understand if the Rockets were a big market team like NY or LA where he can get much, much more exposure and publicity that he'll likely make $20mil easy just by being the main star of that cities franchise team but in Houston, I am not so sure.

Plus yeah, that 5th year he can make that up for sure by signing another max with another team. With a title, maybe even a bigger market team like the Lakers or NY.

Either way, all moot point now since it's done. I'm just saying, it really wasn't Hardens choice to be traded but if I were him and given the chance to choose, I'd give up that ~$11mil or however much it is just for a chance to win a title with my friends and then move on if nothing comes of it.
post #9259 of 19362
sorry guys, pro sports is a business. it's not backyard friends throwing in together. it's not even college. these guys have plenty of time to hang around together in their off time. harden knew that his market value was likely to be quite a bit more than what OKC was offering (and OKC, being stuck in a small market without a big TV contract and without an owner who was willing to go deep in debt to win, was probably offering about as much as it could). rather than waiting until their backs were against the wall, OKC moved him out. he got a huge raise and this way if his career lasts only 2 or 3 more years (as most nba careers do), he's in a much better position. and if he wants to hang with rw and kd, he can have his plane go pick them up and fly them to houston.

eta: everyone who loves basketball ought to read Bill Bradley's book "A Life on the Run." i just re-read it recently (waiting for the season to start) and i was struck by how clear-headed and sensitive it is. some of those knicks liked each other, some didn't, some he clearly couldn't stand. it's like working in an office.
post #9260 of 19362
Quote:
Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Terrible analogy.

OK, instead of pinterest you can get the $800,000 for 5 years on the open market.
post #9261 of 19362
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruzzi View Post

oh he's only leaving $2.3M on the table per year.
i'd like to see 90% of the people on this thread forfeit 1% of that ($23,000)

Just stop, you can't compare that shit to real life scenario where you work in a cubicle. Winning a championship can do much more to your career than anything else in the NBA, especially if you are superstar caliber. He can be a much bigger superstar in the world.

Really can't compare just like your terrible analogy earlier.
post #9262 of 19362
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ruzzi View Post

OK, instead of pinterest you can get the $800,000 for 5 years on the open market.

Bro, your analogy doesn't work because it wasn't Hardens choice, he was traded. He didn't demand it nor was he offered $80mil before he was traded. He was just traded, it has nothing to do with the money difference in your scenario and Hardens.
post #9263 of 19362
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

sorry guys, pro sports is a business. it's not backyard friends throwing in together. it's not even college. these guys have plenty of time to hang around together in their off time.


Not always the case. There is still something to be said about best friends winning together, RW, KD and Harden are all young guys and practically grew up in the NBA in the past 3-4 years. I think that chip will mean more and the chemistry between that team full of friends are simply much better. Look at the Lakers Super Team of Kobe, Shaq, Malone and Payton, terrible chemistry and int he end they just imploded and couldn't win it all. Shaq & Kobe eventually hated each other that caused the demise of that dynasty.

As great Kobe is, dude just doesn't have the social skills to make great friends so basketball is his best friend, really up to you if that is how you want to run your life. Kobe might be a special case though, I guess. A big superstar with no friends.


Also, I don't really see the big deal with Harden giving up that much money to be with his friends and a chance to win a championship, Lebron, Wade & Bosh each gave up $15mil in their contract to play together and win and have fun doing it and chances are Wade will not have anything left in the tank (he already seems on the down spiral) to make up what he gave up with another huge contract after this one expires but hey he did it for more championship and got yo have some respect for that.
post #9264 of 19362
turn down millions in guaranteed money? when he's made $4 million per year for three years and watched his buddies get paid? guaranteed money in a non-guaranteed world? i don't know anything about the dude's personal life, but if he grew up poor there's no fucking way in hell he'd give up any significant piece of $80 mill
post #9265 of 19362
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

turn down millions in guaranteed money? when he's made $4 million per year for three years and watched his buddies get paid? guaranteed money in a non-guaranteed world? i don't know anything about the dude's personal life, but if he grew up poor there's no fucking way in hell he'd give up any significant piece of $80 mill

Again, he was traded and it wasn't his choice. Why is everyone acting like it's either he sign OKCs extension or Rockets more lucrative one? It was sign the extension or a) be a free agent next summer, b) get traded no, c) get traded mid-season. OKC's choices are the same except change option a with "offer max contract". OKC chose to trade now and Harden was offered $80mil after he was traded and signed it. He really had no say in the trade. I don't remember reading Harden guaranteeing to sign the extension with the Rockets before the trade, I do know that they are one of the team willing to take a risk to get a superstar w/o a guarantee that they will resign.

I still think OKC was in the wrong, the max they could offer were $60mil for 4-years (not sure if they could offer a 5-year extension) so they let Harden walk so they wouldn't have to pay tax on the extra $5mil. It's probably more complicated than that though.
post #9266 of 19362
come on. everyone knew exactly what they were doing. everyone had some control (not complete control) over the situation, exactly as you said - -

Presti made his offer
Harden and his agent said they wouldn't sign for anything less than the max
Presti said that this was his final offer, and if they wouldn't sign he would trade him because the Thunder refuse to be held hostage like Dwight and Melo did to their teams
Harden doesn't budge
Presti makes good on his ultimatum

if the Thunder wanted to keep Harden they would have paid him his money. they know ten other teams would pay him the max, so that's his market value.

if Harden really wanted to stay he would take less money and accept the final offer

Harden ultimately got traded because he wouldn't give up guaranteed money and the "respect" implied by being a max contract guy (totally understand this)...and also because OKC refuses to pay luxury tax (understand this somewhat, but much less because i honestly thought they were more about winning than profitability). i really don't fault either party all that much, just kind of disappointed that we could have seen three legitimate super-teams battle each other for the next few years and now one of them is gone
post #9267 of 19362
Thread Starter 
Sounds like your making up some stuff there. Presti never gave an "ultimatum", at least not from what I read at least. As far as I know, Harden wanted $60mil, OKCs initial offer was $52mil and it went up to $55mil and Harden still didn't budge. OKC had the option to let him walk in the summer or trade him mid-season or trade him now. There isn't any hostage taking if you think about it because Presti knows Harden won't sign and they are willing to let him go, they aren't losing their 2 best players so obviously they didn't feel it was enough of a threat. Different situation with Howard where he flipped-flopped and kept promising different things, they were willing to let him walk anyways so why not wait out for a better trade? So it is just about putting that out there that Harden is open for trade and he'd have teams lining up with offers, probably better ones that they would have gotten with Martin, maybe an offensive post threat?

It wasn't all Hardens choice, he either signs the extension or he doesn't. The team he is traded to doesn't guarantee him resigning, you think if he was traded to the Bobcats or Warriors that it is guaranteed he'd resign? My guess is he won't and he'd play the year out and then make his pick of teams next summer for max contract. That is guarranteed money but if your choice is the Bobcats or a plethora of other teams that will sign him for max contract a year later, I say that i worth the wait. Yes he knows his worth and what he could get but OKC didn't have to trade him and he didn't know he'd get traded right away either.


All I'm saying is it isn't as simple as Harden going for more money as most are saying and act like turning down more money to win a championship is completely out of the question. Fact is Harden was traded first and then offered that max extension but none was really guaranteed (none reported) whether the Rockets were going to offer him max or if Harden would even resign with them.




Back to the game at hand though, good game and maybe OKC should have traded Westbrook. lol8[1].gif But damn Parker with back to back winning baskets in back to back games.
post #9268 of 19362
OK Guys, respectfully deadhorse-a.gif
post #9269 of 19362
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

OK Guys, respectfully deadhorse-a.gif

It wouldn't be the NBA thread if we didn't.
post #9270 of 19362
glad rfx is on my side lulz
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Entertainment and Culture
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Entertainment and Culture › NBA 2014-2015 Season Thread