or Connect
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Entertainment and Culture › NBA 2014-2015 Season Thread
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

NBA 2014-2015 Season Thread - Page 612

post #9166 of 18042
nah. kevin martin is a great player (quick looks at projected stats show slightly higher ppg at same minutes and slightly higher 3 pt altho harden has better other stats cuz they used him as a backup pg), and lamb looks out he's' going to turn out awesome. that plus draft picks (a good first round one coming from dallas). i think they did the best given the situation. luxury tax is ridiculous
post #9167 of 18042
Quote:
Originally Posted by thinman View Post

The draft picks will have to work out extremely well to make this a worthwhile trade for OKC and I'm not optimistic. Even first round draft picks are a crap shoot in the NBA. Although OKC handled this better than Orlando handled Dwight's situation, by not dallying, I think this is a poor trade for OKC. IMO, almost anytime a team trades a star, or potential star, for a handful of players, they've made a bad trade because winning in the NBA is driven by stars/superstars.

Ya, most often this was true. I do believe that they got decent value, though. Whenever a star wants to leave its damage control, they did well in context.
post #9168 of 18042
Thread Starter 
Nah, Kevin Martin isn't all that great at all. It's laughable to even call him great. lol8[1].gif

Terrible defense and dude needs to shoot a lot to score big, which will not happen with Westbrook and Durant in the team. Plus he simply cannot create and not as athletic as Harden, not to mention being injury prone. He is further limited with the new NBA rules such as kicking you leg out when or jumping towards the defender to get fouled, that is like half of his ft attempts right there.

Money speaks though and Harden turned down $52mil for $78mil the Rockets offered. But to me and hard to say really because I would never see that kind of money in my life but I'd take $52mil, with a chance at a tile with my best friends that I'll grow old with. Again, that is just me, Rockets offered him more $$$ and a chance to be that #1 guy and to some that is hard to say no to.

In the end, OKC still shot themselves in the foot, they are title contenders and has taken a step forward every year, this could be their title year but now with a completely different player (who may not even be happy to come off the bench and with a big chance to miss half the season), it'll definitely be a step backwards.
post #9169 of 18042

doubleheader on ESPN this Friday is Mia-NY and LAC-LAL. Can.not.wait

post #9170 of 18042
yeah, Kevin Martin is one of those guys whose statistical production completely overrates his impact on the game. the numbers show a high efficiency scorer but i can't ever recall ever seeing him have a big impact on a game...he just goes out and gets his. i believe he was the Kings' leading scorer and they couldn't get rid of him fast enough

Lamb might be good, but even if he's awesome, what happens in a couple of years when his option becomes due? then they're back to where they are now
post #9171 of 18042
Thread Starter 
Kevin Martin is one of those cases where he became a big scorer in a crappy team which doesn't have any other option.
post #9172 of 18042
Then hopefully they can turn lamb into another lamb

Nobody is arguing Martin is the same as harden who is definitely the third best shooting guard. But Martin isn't a great player? You wouldn't take him in the sixth round? I guess it depends on what you call great but I'd put him slightly above Jason terry and jr smith.

You also have to remember they got rid of daquan cook and lazar Hayward for good picks which frees up a lot of cap space.

Given that the owners didnt want to get into luxury tax I think Sam pesti did on awesome job.

Fwiw I don't think lamb is the next harden. Not even close
post #9173 of 18042
Thread Starter 
Wait, a sixth round pick player is great? You use the word great too haphazardly.
Great = Jordan, Kobe, Lebron, Durant, etc...
I'd consider him good but definitely not great and there is no way you can define the word "great" to apply to Kevin Martin.

I honestly wouldn't even put Martin in the same level as Harden, at all, which is borderline 1st pick in fantasy bball. Harden can be a player a franchise build around, Martin is someone you get stuck with and would have been a perfect 3rd option if he scored more with less touches. The offense has to focus on him to score, I am not sure yet if he can be a spot up shooter because that is his best option with OKC. He doesn't have a great first step like Harden, he isn't as athletic as Harden and he can't play PG like Harden. Not to mention Harden is 23 years old and Martin is turning 30 in Feb and already has a dilapidated body.


Lamb is a coin flip really, will he get enough PT in OKC? He'll get great experience but it would be a waste if it all came from practices. I am no college bball expert but his upside just isn't as high as Hardens so that is a big risk. Keep in mind that Scott Brooks runs his rotation weird at times and doesn't trust rookies well enough to give them significant PT. Remember Ibakas PT the past 2 years? He was seldom used in the beginning and only gets plenty of PT at the second half of the season. He used Fisher way too much last year. Lamb probably won't get much PT unless dude excels in practice like he is the next coming of Jordan, that's my prediction at least based on Brooks' coaching.
post #9174 of 18042
all this talk about lamb reminds me that i should get home and grill some lamb chops that i've been saving...
post #9175 of 18042
Yeah. I guess I used great liberally. I meant good which martin definitely is. I would use legendary to describe Lebron and durant
post #9176 of 18042
I like this trade. I suppose I'm the only one though. Martin is a GREAT 3rd option guy, which is exactly what they needed. No need to have 3 ballhogs on the court at the same time. Lamb may be good, or he may not, but its worth a gamble and 2 1sts (Dallas' high pick) aren't a bad thing to a team which is always going to be looking for complementary parts to go around their big 3.

The Rockets should be pretty damn interesting this year. Lin must be the happiest guy in TX right now.
post #9177 of 18042
so how awkward is the Heat championship ring celebration going to be with the hated Celtics on the other side of the floor and Ray the traitor on the Heat side but not getting a ring?

i actually can leave work early to go to opening night but i can't get the company seats tonight. i suppose i can go to stubhub but my usual section will be 6 or 7 bills for my wife and i, and i don't feel like laying down that cash
post #9178 of 18042
Thread Starter 
If it were the Spurs that has those picks they'd be very important but to be honest, with the Mavs being a playoff team every season, chances are they'll draft players that will end up in the D-League anyways.


Again KMart can be a good 3rd option but he isn't the same guy off the bench Harden was. I remember 2 years ago, I wanted Harden to be the next Lakers PG and simply because he had flashes of CP3 or Kidd in him but more athletic. He has a great field of vision and can easily average 8-10 assists if given the ball more, which will likely happen in Houston. I am still not convinced he'll fit in with OKC because he might have to settle as a spot up shooter or instant offense off the bench like Jamal Crawford and I honestly do not think he can get hot in quick spurts like Crawford could.
post #9179 of 18042
First, I never saw this thread before. This is exciting, finally a place to discuss basketball... intelligently? Grizzlies fan checking in!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

I like this trade. I suppose I'm the only one though. Martin is a GREAT 3rd option guy, which is exactly what they needed. No need to have 3 ballhogs on the court at the same time. Lamb may be good, or he may not, but its worth a gamble and 2 1sts (Dallas' high pick) aren't a bad thing to a team which is always going to be looking for complementary parts to go around their big 3.
The Rockets should be pretty damn interesting this year. Lin must be the happiest guy in TX right now.

I really think that the Thunder came out on top with this trade. I think that Harden is a great player, and a much better playmaker than Martin, but I think that the Thunder need to be mindful of their future. Martin adds scoring, Lamb adds the potential for another great player, and two 1st round draft picks are never a bad thing. Especially considering that I seriously doubt that Dallas is going to be doing too hot this year, especially with No-Nowitzski. I always thought that Harden was a bit overrated, but to be honest, I really haven't watched him enough to get a good enough feel.

As for the Rockets. I really think that this was a terrible decision for them. The thing that Lin should be most excited about is that now he has someone else to shift the blame on if he does not meet the expectations. They also just seem like an odd pairing. I just see Lin working better with a player who isn't a shooting guard, and a playmaker is the last thing I feel that the Rockets need. I think the Rockets will be interesting, but I don't think that there is a snowball's chance in hell that they will be a contender.
post #9180 of 18042
Quote:
Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

If it were the Spurs that has those picks they'd be very important but to be honest, with the Mavs being a playoff team every season, chances are they'll draft players that will end up in the D-League anyways.


Again KMart can be a good 3rd option but he isn't the same guy off the bench Harden was. I remember 2 years ago, I wanted Harden to be the next Lakers PG and simply because he had flashes of CP3 or Kidd in him but more athletic. He has a great field of vision and can easily average 8-10 assists if given the ball more, which will likely happen in Houston. I am still not convinced he'll fit in with OKC because he might have to settle as a spot up shooter or instant offense off the bench like Jamal Crawford and I honestly do not think he can get hot in quick spurts like Crawford could.

You keep saying this but literally nobody is arguing harden is a worse player than martin

I also don't think rockets are a contender
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Entertainment and Culture
Styleforum › Forums › Culture › Entertainment and Culture › NBA 2014-2015 Season Thread