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post #8971 of 18211
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Not Riley, but Jackson would have turned it down if it was offered to him (VanGundy too probably). Look I am not saying Melo is this amazing player, I've bad mouthed him here more than anyone. What I'm saying is that the guy has more talent than anyone in the league, save 2-3 other guys. Teams are always built around superstars, not hardworking good players. Will Love be a better team player and locker room presence? yes. Assuming both on the same exact team, will Love get you more wins than Melo? Never. Melo is too multidimensional to pass up for a team. Is he a ball hog? Absolutely. Does he kill the flow of the offense? Yep. But all that being said if he woke up tomorrow and decided that he would do everything possible to make his teammates better, rebound better and defend better he would become a 20/10 guy with 5/6 assists and the Knicks would be tough to deal with.
Melo is unguardable, he's a ball hogging, inefficent prick but he's unstoppable at the 3 or 4. Look what he did when he decided he was going to play hard for Woodson, he played MVP ball, for a month he was the best player in the league. He just doesn't have the desire to do that for a season. Losing does not bother him as long as he gets his 22-24. Melo is hero ball, take as many shots as possible, take the last shot of the game, win some/lose some, collect your check.
Offensively he is just too skilled, he can score on his own from anywhere on the court. If you are the Charlotte Bobcats and your choices are Kevin Love or Melo, you'd be nuts to take Love.
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post #8972 of 18211
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Not Riley, but Jackson would have turned it down if it was offered to him (VanGundy too probably). Look I am not saying Melo is this amazing player, I've bad mouthed him here more than anyone. What I'm saying is that the guy has more talent than anyone in the league, save 2-3 other guys. Teams are always built around superstars, not hardworking good players. Will Love be a better team player and locker room presence? yes. Assuming both on the same exact team, will Love get you more wins than Melo? Never. Melo is too multidimensional to pass up for a team. Is he a ball hog? Absolutely. Does he kill the flow of the offense? Yep. But all that being said if he woke up tomorrow and decided that he would do everything possible to make his teammates better, rebound better and defend better he would become a 20/10 guy with 5/6 assists and the Knicks would be tough to deal with.
Melo is unguardable, he's a ball hogging, inefficent prick but he's unstoppable at the 3 or 4. Look what he did when he decided he was going to play hard for Woodson, he played MVP ball, for a month he was the best player in the league. He just doesn't have the desire to do that for a season. Losing does not bother him as long as he gets his 22-24. Melo is hero ball, take as many shots as possible, take the last shot of the game, win some/lose some, collect your check.
Offensively he is just too skilled, he can score on his own from anywhere on the court. If you are the Charlotte Bobcats and your choices are Kevin Love or Melo, you'd be nuts to take Love.

Of course Melo is objectively a better player than Love -- hell, in terms of pure talent he's top 10 in the league.

Unfortunately for you and other Knick fans, he is an atrocious team-mate, a coach-killer, and makes everybody around him worse.
post #8973 of 18211
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

actually if Melo had the right pieces around him and a system that catered to him he could be the centerpiece of a championship team. melo does have that much game. but he'd need players like chandler and love to be his number 2 and 3 options and a super pass first point guard to set him up well. but its still a predictable offense that can be easily beat unless melo is on fire for the whole playoffs - maybe in the no zone NBA of the old 90's melo would be more effective - but not now.

He'd need a defensive stopper or two to cover for him and the rest of the team would have to be super-selfless, willing to watch Melo play one-on-one while everyone else covers for him on defense. It could happen, but I wouldn't bet money on it (not even your money).

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Not Riley, but Jackson would have turned it down if it was offered to him (VanGundy too probably). Look I am not saying Melo is this amazing player, I've bad mouthed him here more than anyone. What I'm saying is that the guy has more talent than anyone in the league, save 2-3 other guys. Teams are always built around superstars, not hardworking good players. Will Love be a better team player and locker room presence? yes. Assuming both on the same exact team, will Love get you more wins than Melo? Never. Melo is too multidimensional to pass up for a team. Is he a ball hog? Absolutely. Does he kill the flow of the offense? Yep. But all that being said if he woke up tomorrow and decided that he would do everything possible to make his teammates better, rebound better and defend better he would become a 20/10 guy with 5/6 assists and the Knicks would be tough to deal with.
Melo is unguardable, he's a ball hogging, inefficent prick but he's unstoppable at the 3 or 4. Look what he did when he decided he was going to play hard for Woodson, he played MVP ball, for a month he was the best player in the league. He just doesn't have the desire to do that for a season. Losing does not bother him as long as he gets his 22-24. Melo is hero ball, take as many shots as possible, take the last shot of the game, win some/lose some, collect your check.
Offensively he is just too skilled, he can score on his own from anywhere on the court. If you are the Charlotte Bobcats and your choices are Kevin Love or Melo, you'd be nuts to take Love.

You're assuming Melo will someday grow up, but it's not going to happen. How long has he been in the league already?

If you put a star point guard and a scorer with Love, you win a championship; put a star point guard and rebounder/defender with Melo and he stalls your offense and pisses off his teammates with selfish play. Call me nuts, but I'd take Love over Melo.

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Originally Posted by eg1 View Post

Of course Melo is objectively a better player than Love -- hell, in terms of pure talent he's top 10 in the league.
Unfortunately for you and other Knick fans, he is an atrocious team-mate, a coach-killer, and makes everybody around him worse.

And this is why I'd take Love over Melo. He makes the team better every night; with Melo, you're never sure what you're going to get. Love doesn't have Melo's talent, but he'll give you 20/10 and maximum effort every night.
post #8974 of 18211
Spain now assured they won't play the US until the finals.

It's going to be amusing if they lose along the way and don't medal at all.
post #8975 of 18211
France-Spain got pretty chippy and bush league at the end. The French guy didn't even try to hide his intentions before the punch.

Edited by tullytra - 8/8/12 at 12:46pm
post #8976 of 18211
Not nuts at all to take Love over 'Melo. Not sure I'd even call Melo a better player right now. 20/10 beats Melo's line all day long.
post #8977 of 18211
Thread Starter 
I know you guys miss all the Howard trade talk so here's the latest.
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Lakers, Magic in blockbuster four-team trade talks to send Dwight Howard to L.A.

The Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers are engaged with the Denver Nuggets and Philadelphia 76ers in a four-way blockbuster that could ultimately deliver superstar center Dwight Howard to the Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

A deal is not considered imminent, but the talks have grown serious over the course of this week, sources said.

There are other players involved in these fluid talks, but a framework of the possible deal includes Howard and Denver forward Al Harrington going to the Lakers, Philadelphia guard Andre Iguodala going to the Nuggets, Los Angeles center Andrew Bynum moving to the 76ers, and Los Angeles forward Pau Gasol and Denver guard Arron Afflalo going to the Magic, sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The Magic would have a better chance of moving Gasol in another deal to get further assets, sources said, and eliminate the risk of Bynum leaving them as a free agent in 2013.
The proposed deal includes the Magic also gaining draft picks and salary-cap relief, sources said.

Orlando, Los Angeles and Philadelphia had discussed a three-way deal, but needed a fourth team to take Iguodala and also provide Orlando with the neccessary future draft picks, sources said. Denver joined the talks in the past week, sources said.

Philadelphia traded its 2013 pick to the Miami Heat, and the Lakers sent two future picks to the Phoenix Suns in the Steve Nash sign-and-trade deal. For Denver, the question could become, how many draft picks are they willing to send to Orlando for Iguodala?



Lakers is stupid for even considering letting Pau and Bynum go for Howard and Harrington? WTF! baldy[1].gif
post #8978 of 18211
that's a good team though - Nash, Kobe, Howard, and Artest's 6 personal fouls. better than last year's team
post #8979 of 18211
Thread Starter 
Nah, Kobe, Nash, Artest, Pau & Bynum is a much better team. They simply cannot lose much size and getting rid of both their 7-footers is a bad idea.
post #8980 of 18211
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Nah, Kobe, Nash, Artest, Pau & Bynum is a much better team. They simply cannot lose much size and getting rid of both their 7-footers is a bad idea.
+10000
it's basically trading two infant centers, but losing an adult pf in the process.
post #8981 of 18211
Deff big news finally getting closure on the Howard saga.

Now someone start the NFL thread!~
post #8982 of 18211
on the other hand:
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The Orlando Magic and Los Angeles Lakers are engaged with the Denver Nuggets and Philadelphia 76ers in a four-way blockbuster that could ultimately deliver superstar center Dwight Howard to the Lakers, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

A deal is not considered imminent, but the talks have grown serious over the course of this week, sources said.

sorry, as an old sportswriter, this strikes me as a strong candidate for what used to be called "hot stove league". you could sit in a bar and pop rumors like this up and fill your column requirement and if it didn't happen, it must have been because the execs just couldn't get hte deal to work. but really, they were thisclose
post #8983 of 18211
Thread Starter 
It isn't just from yahoo Sports, ESPN is also reporting it as well but at this point, until someone actually signs anything then nothing is really happening.
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Sources: Howard deal 'very close'

A four-team trade that would send Dwight Howard to the Los Angeles Lakers is "very close" to happening and could be agreed upon Friday, league sources told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard.

In the proposed four-team deal, sources told Broussard that Howard and Denver Nuggets forward Al Harrington would go to Los Angeles, Lakers forward Pau Gasol and Nuggets guard Arron Afflalo would go to the Orlando Magic, Philadelphia 76ers guard Andre Iguodala would go to Denver, and Lakers center Andrew Bynum would go to Philadelphia.

A league source told ESPNLosAngeles.com's Ramona Shelburne that the pieces in the potential trade are still very fluid and that Gasol has been in and out of the talks. The source, though, said the deal still is very close to happening and could go down Friday morning.

Earlier Thursday, Yahoo! Sports, citing sources, reported that talks of a four-team trade involving Howard have taken place this week and have "grown serious."

The proposed scenario also includes the Magic receiving draft picks and salary-cap relief, the sources told Yahoo!

Sources told Broussard that Philadelphia has not spoken to Bynum or his representatives and has no assurances he will sign a long-term extension with the club.

"The Sixers are willing to take a shot (without Bynum's commitment)," one source said.

Although Bynum signing an extension with the 76ers is not out of the question, according to a source, his stance all summer has been he only will sign an extension with the Lakers.

Bynum, who grew up about an hour away from Philadelphia in Plainsboro, N.J., could sign a three-year, $60 million extension this season or wait to become a free agent after the season and be eligible for a five-year, $102 million deal.

Near the end of July, Howard met with Magic general manager Rob Hennigan and reiterated he still wants to be traded, and if he isn't, will leave the team as a free agent after next season.

The Lakers' position on Howard has remained relatively unchanged for the past few months, league sources familiar with the situation have told ESPNLosAngeles.com. The Lakers always have been willing to trade for Howard without assurances he'd re-sign with them after the season, believing that once Howard experienced a championship culture, he would want to stay.
post #8984 of 18211
Thread Starter 
Looking at the Denver roster, I'd like it better if the Lakers get Howard with Faried and Chandler. I really do not want to see Harrington as a Laker.
post #8985 of 18211
the Lakers are desperate for a young superstar to build around as Kobe winds his career down. Dwight will keep the star-hungry Laker fans interested and will be better than an aging Gasol and a dumbass Bynum after Nash and Kobe retire.
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