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post #17581 of 19365
^ good point
I should say ability(just who was/is the best player in the game). Shaq skills (footwork/passing/touch around basket) are still great but true that they are nowhere near guys like Hakeem or Kobe. Not sure with Kobe being more skilled than Bird. Kobe has more versatile offensive game, maybe is better in the post, but Bird was a better shooter and passer than Kobe so it is debatable.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Bill Russell and his 13 rings don't get him in top 8?

I didn't watch many Russell games though, I think I watched two. To me most important thing is whether guy can score 20/30 consistently and efficiently, breakdown defenses forcing double teams. Russell's offensive game is not on par with guys I listed imo. If you look at his more or less contemporary players; Wilt and Kareem even in their rookie years they scored more and on higher fg% than Bill in any point of his career. These Boston teams were stacked and Bill was the defensive anchor of that team but he was not the guy you could build around like you could around Kareem, Hakeem, Shaq or Wilt.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

I would probably take Shaq, Hakeem, Kareem, Duncan, Bird, Magic, Jordan ahead of Kobe, maybe LeBron too
based on who i think was best skillwise on court and had long enough prime so the team has long window to win championships
this is argument often cited by Jordan homers, and it's idiotic

Jordan, and Kobe are small compared to those guys you mentioned. How many championships team did not have a HOF center, or power forward? It is way tougher for guards to carry teams.
post #17583 of 19365
Bill Russell wasn't a guy you can build around? :\. 5 NBA MVPs, 15/23/4 isn't good enough?
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

Bill Russell wasn't a guy you can build around? :\. 5 NBA MVPs, 15/23/4 isn't good enough?

To be honest these Boston teams were always stacked. He never led Celtics in scoring, was usually 4th or 3rd option. Sure he was great defender and rebounder and probably best player on most of teams he played on. But imo it would be hard for a team to win with him as him center piece on offense ala 2003 Spurs won with Duncan or Rockets with Olajuwon. That's why I rate them higher.
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You guys read or hear about the possible NBA midseason tournament ala FA Cup?? Wouldn't that be awesome to have 4/6 teams facing off preseason;midseason for a chance at some more silverware??


Or maybe it's just me....

Should the NBA get serious about a midseason tournament?

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The biggest misconception about the tournament concept is that this needs to be an extended, lengthy ordeal. On the contrary, the perfect midseason tournament would be simple and short, so as to keep the rest of the schedule intact as much as possible.

The most logical way to invite teams? One option would be to simply play a round-robin series of games among the four conference finalists from the previous season. Such a tournament this year would include Miami, Indiana, San Antonio and Oklahoma City. The regular season match-ups among those teams are always highly anticipated, and they would surely attract even more eyeballs with an even larger stage and a trophy prize attached, although this year's hypothetical event would have suffered from James' departure for Cleveland and Lance Stephenson's move to Charlotte.
post #17586 of 19365
even more games? i would like a midseason tournament if there were less regular season games. like 60 games or even 50 games would be good
post #17587 of 19365
I'd be good with that. And while we're borrowing ideas from soccar, let's introduce relegation as well
post #17588 of 19365
I'd rather have an extra division with more teams in Europe. Fuck FIBA lets just engulf all the best players from Europe and have European team in UK, Spain, Italy, France. Home crowd advantage in the euro teams would be bonkers.

if you have 4 teams in europe then traveling won't be as bad because every state side team would do a euro tour just like how the lakers do a "grammy tour" or the east coast teams do their west coast tour.

the midseason tournament would be awesome if it was held off site and travelled around like austraila or europe or asia... that way you could set the destinations years in advance and make it a whole vacation thing.
post #17589 of 19365
relegation sounds fun

include european teams in NBA?
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Originally Posted by jet View Post

if he's not top 5 then lebon isn't top 10 lol8[1].gif
lol. what you're saying isn't outlandish or anything. kobe could certainly be ahead of lbj right now simply because of rings, and also longevity. just depends on your opinion. i think most ppl, though, would agree that lebron has been better during his prime than kobe was during his prime. that's not kobe's fault or anything, he just lacks the vision and the physical tools. but peak lebron to me has been noticeably better than peak kobe.
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Originally Posted by wojt View Post

To be honest these Boston teams were always stacked. He never led Celtics in scoring, was usually 4th or 3rd option. Sure he was great defender and rebounder and probably best player on most of teams he played on. But imo it would be hard for a team to win with him as him center piece on offense ala 2003 Spurs won with Duncan or Rockets with Olajuwon. That's why I rate them higher.
dude scoring isn't everything man.......he was a five-time mvp. Five!!!! Disclaimer: I haven't watched any Russell games, but from everything I've heard he would just dominate on defense, and initiate the offense a bunch, with his pioneering outlet passing. i think the # of "11 titles" is a bit misleading given that there were only 8 teams in the league some of the years he played, but he was still the greatest winner the league has ever seen.
post #17591 of 19365
Olajuwon and Duncan can do more or less same thing defence with much much better scoring. O'Neal at Jabbar give you a whole decade of offensive dominance while still being good on defensive end. Offensive gap between them and Bill is just too big. but that's just like my opinion man.
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The real question is, what are the top 5 times this thread has talked about the top 5 players of all time?
post #17593 of 19365
top 3 nba mullets off all time:

#3


#2


#1



the rare instance where an iconic NBA mullet might trick someone into thinking: "wow that actually looks good... I'm going to try pull that off"




but you actually end up looking like this:
Edited by LawrenceMD - 7/21/14 at 7:52am
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

The real question is, what are the top 5 times this thread has talked about the top 5 players of all time?

Too meta, bruh.
post #17595 of 19365
Dwayne Shitz...... whatever his name was, was a crazy mofo. Detlef Schrempf was a bad ass on the court (and was good in that Parks and Rec episode), he was on those Seattle teams which could never get over the hump (kind like OKC now).

I'm too lazy to look this up but I see that Bledsoe is a restricted free agent and the Suns say they will match whatever (although the got IT2 confused.gif). So it seems that this is keeping away teams for putting in a contract offer to him. So assuming he gets no offers, does he go back to the Suns at his last salary or can they say, "no market for you, so here is a 4million a year contract" or what exactly?? It seems that this "we will match any offer" can be used to keep a player's value down (unless you pull a Cuban), teams figure its a waste of time and cap space (for 3 days) so no bids but what happens to Bledsoe if he gets no offers from other teams?

And Andrey Blatche is still available, he comes with issues but is a big man that can shoot and score. He can't defend but he can at least keep opposing bigs busy and give you a third/fourth scoring option. I think he would be perfect in OKC and if you can get him for $4mln or so, not sure how he is still available.
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