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post #15226 of 18084
Hate to keep piling on but top comment of an ESPN article on Hibbert:

"The monstars took his power : ( "



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post #15227 of 18084
I'm a pretty surprised at the lack of faith in the Nets, I think they will pull it off barring any injuries to Williams or Pierce.

I've been reading the typical stuff (ESPN, probasketball talk etc) and its really surprising at the hate for Lin. I get why people hate Melo, James and Kobe but Lin?? They put these articles out that subtlely balme Lin for Houston's series loss and then in the comments people pile on with how horrible he is confused.gif He averaged almost 14 and 4 off the bench on a team where he was the fourth option at best, harden was the unofficial point guard and Lin's playing time was all over the place.

am I the only one surprised at NBA coaches absolutely refusing to play a zone?? I get that its a college thing and maybe the NBA sees it as a gimmick and they probably don't practice it but if the Pacers went to a 2-3 zone, you get the benefits of Hibbert blocking the rim, your wings/guards can go up against the other teams 3 point shooters and you cut down on the guards strolling to the rim (you probably give up some rebounds but its not like what they are doing now is winning them the rebound war). Instead he plays man to man and they are having the same issues as the last series. Guards getting to the rim, wide open 3's, the Nene/Gortat combo just being faster than anything the Pacers have. I find it bizzare but maybe I'm crazy. Play a zone and turn Wall into a jump shooter and have rim protection.
post #15228 of 18084
i just said this last night, no idea why teams don't play a 2-3 with the consistent matchup problems. I'd play a nuisance like barnes, for instance, down low with a big body and an athletic wing in a zone set with a 4 and 1 at the key for speed, strength and to duck under/through picks.

Also, I see the nets series going 6 or 7 either way. I could see the nets swept in very tight games or even winning before losing to the wizards or some other bullshit ny fans are always subjected to. I just don't think the heat are any better than the last few cleveland teams lebron was on. he needs 35/10/5+ for them to win every night. you'll get one big game out of bosh and 1-2 out of wade but no one else there scares you and the nets spread the floor with shooters and are very looong on defense.
post #15229 of 18084
Zone D has some disadvantages against teams prepared to play against it. A zone has to spread itself very thin to defend good 3pt shooting. It has a couple of inherently weak areas, like attacks from the top of the key will almost always result in an open pull- up, or a dump off to an open man on the baseline; and quick Princeton style back cuts are very effective against zones. You can also attack zones more effectively by starting your attacks in the weakest wing defender's zone - so you can't necessarily hide weak defenders.

It is more effective at rim protection and packing the paint though - but NBA teams employ modified zones anyway when the situation demands it. The most recent example of this was Memphis packing the paint and shading all five guys towards KD when he had the ball. No idea why Indiana continues to refuse to use it, though. They certainly have the personnel to run it, although I would attack it by spacing the floor and having my best player constantly drive at George Hill's zone
post #15230 of 18084
Kunk, do the AAU teams play any zone? It tends to be more if a staple at the lower levels, particularly if teams don't have a lot of time to install complex defenses
post #15231 of 18084
they only switch to it when man to man isn't working. i coach a 2-3 zone
post #15232 of 18084
Is zone a better choice against Beal and Ariza and the o-rebs of Gortat and Nene? Plus Wall isn't a poor 3-pt shooter and he was only 4/14 last game.
post #15233 of 18084
isn't thibodeau's defensive scheme a hybrid zone/man defense that overloads on the strong side? a ton of teams use that scheme.

i don't think a proper 2-3 defense would work because there's a lot of issues with it and smart offenses are going to tear it apart.
post #15234 of 18084
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Originally Posted by Brothersport View Post

Is zone a better choice against Beal and Ariza and the o-rebs of Gortat and Nene? Plus Wall isn't a poor 3-pt shooter and he was only 4/14 last game.

It will slow the game down a bit, which is to the pacers advantage. Also, it lets Hibbert stay in the game (you could look at that as a negative for the Pacers) as he doesn't have to chase down anyone. Lastly, you force them to take long 3's or run their offense through Nene or Gortat at the top of the key. The Wiz may still kill you but what they are doing now is not working defensively. They scored 96 points yesterday, this team is built to win games where they score in the 90's because that is pretty much all they can score. If they have to score in 100's to beat any team in a series, you might as well stop the series now.
post #15235 of 18084
i think there's a couple issues with the zone in the nba -- the 3-point shot and the hole that develops in the middle, but also that it tends to induce offensive passivity. it's harder to play the athletic style that most nba offenses have embraced now. that said, particularly if you have a head-down pg, a 2-3 or a box-and-1 can really screw up an offense if it's used as an occasional change of pace.
as for last night's clippers game, i've got mixed emotions. it was great to see them get that win, but i'm really afraid that that's about as well as they can play. i do think the game pointed up what might be the key difference between the teams -- the bench. the clips bench really came on strong in the second quarter and increased the margin. not sure okc has an answer for that.
also, it was a positive that i think westbrook and durant played about as well as they normally do, too, and la was able to absorb that and counter it.
post #15236 of 18084
Lol i dont think anyone knows what they're gonna get outta Hibbert at this point...

Why do you say a slower game is to the pacers advantage? because they're the underdogs, hence greater variance w/ fewer possessions?

I just feel like playing strictly a zone kind of negates George's superior defense. You can say he didn't play defense well yesterday, but do you think that's gonna improve w/ zone that they most likely haven't practiced all season?

Plus, Nene is plenty happy in the mid-range, and Ariza/Beal/Wall are plenty happy to bomb 3s. Vogel doesn't really have too many options, and I don't think a zone is a great one against this team...but esp since I'm sure they never practice it. Vogel just has to hope that how they played D in game 1 won't be representative of the whole series.
post #15237 of 18084
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Lol i dont think anyone knows what they're gonna get outta Hibbert at this point...

Why do you say a slower game is to the pacers advantage? because they're the underdogs, hence greater variance w/ fewer possessions?

I just feel like playing strictly a zone kind of negates George's superior defense. You can say he didn't play defense well yesterday, but do you think that's gonna improve w/ zone that they most likely haven't practiced all season?

Plus, Nene is plenty happy in the mid-range, and Ariza/Beal/Wall are plenty happy to bomb 3s. Vogel doesn't really have too many options, and I don't think a zone is a great one against this team...but esp since I'm sure they never practice it. Vogel just has to hope that how they played D in game 1 won't be representative of the whole series.

I think if you're Indiana, you just can't win any series without something from Hibbert. Yes, they won the last series but Atlanta gave two games away, Indiana really should be home. Hibbert may lay a goose egg again but you have to try and adjust as a coach and put your best players in situations where they can be effective. He won't get out a slump sitting on the bench. The Pacers play deliberate, they averaged 96 points game (93 post all star game) on 80 shots. The Wiz average 100 ppg (103 post all star) on 85 shots. For the Pacers to win, I think they have to keep the Wiz to a mid 90's ppg average. Running up and down the court putting up 85+ shots benefits the younger/faster Wiz. The Pacers could counter with a small lineup including Copeland/Turner and benihana (:huh:) for West/Hibbert and Hill but those guys are not defensive players, you might get more points but you'll probably give up more also. And Vogel has shown a stubborness to change anyway (and you are right, I doubt they practice the zone). So they should try and get the Wiz to play the Pacers type game. Again, go with a zone, protect the rim and protect your weaknesses (lack of speed/defense from West/Hibbert) make Wall/Ariza/Beal bomb from far and Nene/Gortat turn into mid range shooters. If they shoot the lights out, you tip your hat to them.
post #15238 of 18084
Mark Jackson out.

KD confirmed as MVP
post #15239 of 18084
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Mark Jackson out.

KD confirmed as MVP

what if Mike D'Antoni (the good 2004 suns version not the shitty knicks/lakers one) coached this squad? would steph average 35pts and the dubs score 140pts regularly?
post #15240 of 18084
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what if Mike D'Antoni (the good 2004 suns version not the shitty knicks/lakers one) coached this squad? would steph average 35pts and the dubs score 140pts regularly?

Yep. And lose in the first round of the playoffs.
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