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Originally Posted by lawyerdad View Post

That's the explanation in the actual article (as opposed to the nutjob fan comments) on espn.com: he was concerned that bosh could be positioned away from the basket, allowing him to get open for a jumper and/or pulling hibbert away from the basket.

Still, knowing far less about basketball than vogel, and having nothing on the line and the benefit of complete hindsight, I would have to say that with the game on the line, I'd rather take the risk Bosh beats me with a 15-20 jumper than the risk that LBJ beats me driving to the rim and no shot blocker in the game . . .
uh, yeah. 100%. i was just guessing what could possibly have been going through his mind, not recommending it.
post #11867 of 17698
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Vogel did the exact same thing against the Knicks as well, no idea why. And the Knicks kept scoring, it made no sense. If I want the Heat to beat me, I'd let Bosh shoot that 3 than any shot inside the 3 point line. It still makes no sense especially when your only reasoning is he doesn't match up well with Bosh, there was 2.2 second left. He needed to be in there for defense, plain and simple.
Vogel was able to get away with this against the Knicks, because the Knicks don't have a layup-down-the-lane play. They used to, but it got bumped from the book for one of the Chuck-a-Three or Melo-Iso set variants.
post #11868 of 17698
lebron's play reminded me of what dirk did to the heat in 2011:

Vogul made his defensive decision. It wasn't necessarily a wrong decision - just an unfavorable outcome. Its like in poker when you play a hand correctly (where the odds are on your side), but still lose.

I hate the heat, but lebron just makes very smart basketball decisions 95% of the time on the court these days. he would've passed for a high percentage shot if he were immediately doubled, or he would've done what he did to win the game - a lot of star players would've done the HEROBALL move and settle for a fallaway jumper regardless. He's just so fast, big, and strong that what he did looked easy. In a sense it was easy (using the left hand) because it was the most elegant/simple/high bball IQ move to do.
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

uh, yeah. 100%. i was just guessing what could possibly have been going through his mind, not recommending it.

Yes, understood. smile.gif
post #11870 of 17698
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

lebron's play reminded me of what dirk did to the heat in 2011:

Vogul made his defensive decision. It wasn't necessarily a wrong decision - just an unfavorable outcome. Its like in poker when you play a hand correctly (where the odds are on your side), but still lose.

I hate the heat, but lebron just makes very smart basketball decisions 95% of the time on the court these days. he would've passed for a high percentage shot if he were immediately doubled, or he would've done what he did to win the game - a lot of star players would've done the HEROBALL move and settle for a fallaway jumper regardless. He's just so fast, big, and strong that what he did looked easy. In a sense it was easy (using the left hand) because it was the most elegant/simple/high bball IQ move to do.

I agree to a certain extent. There is a rational basis for the decision, and the fact that it did not work out does not automatically mean it was wrong. It's a judgment call. I think what many of us are saying (again, with the benefit of hindsight, although I was definitely thinking "WTF" about the decision before the outcome was revealed) is that it seems to be a poor judgment call, or at least not the one we would make. Nobody knows what would have happened in the alternative universe where Hibbert stays in the game. Heat very well could have won anyway. But that doesn't preclude somebody from concluding that Vogel played his hand foolishly.

I agree re LeBron, though. ESPN.com is full of people saying stupid stuff like, "He didn't do anything great, my 9-year old kid could make that lay-up!@lolol@!!!" But I completely agree with you that LeBron read the situation perfectly, made an instant decision, and executed it decisively. It's only an "easy" shot (and no shot is truly easy in that situation *coughdavidwestcough*) because he did all the right things to get the easy shot.
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the other question you have to ask is what would have happened had Hill (??) not overplayed the pass so he was in position to make lebron shoot a jump shot. defensive hero-ball?
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It was Paul, not Hill. Both has George in their name so it is confusing. lol8[1].gif
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

It was Paul, not Hill. Both has George in their name so it is confusing. lol8[1].gif
nobody remembers the losers.
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

the other question you have to ask is what would have happened had Hill (??) not overplayed the pass so he was in position to make lebron shoot a jump shot. defensive hero-ball?


In the post game interview Paul George indirectly admitted to that. He was feeling like superman/beast mode because of the hero ball shots he made earlier which lead to gambling on defense against lebron on that final play.

In fairness he did own up to it and admitted his mistake. Indiana may not win a game in thus ecf but that team looks all set for next year and beyond
post #11875 of 17698
Didn't even look like hero-ball to me. He just got beat badly on a cut. Almost like a back-door cut, but with the catch at the top rather than the bottom. To state the obvious: LeBron is fast and agile and that makes him very hard to cover in the wide-open floor. Miami spread its players, which opened the floor up. It was a well-designed play, which took advantage of Miami's obvious strengths and looks all the better for having worked.
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Originally Posted by AldenPyle View Post


keep suckin it baby
post #11877 of 17698
Thread Starter 
BS tech. LBJ complains and then the other guys gets a tech? Such a delayed call. There would have been no tech there if LBJ didn't react, ref babying Lebron early.
post #11878 of 17698
Hell of a way to end a quarter.
post #11879 of 17698
Thread Starter 
Oh look, Hibbert in the game for two defensive sets and resulted in what, 2 Lebron TO.
post #11880 of 17698
George Hill stepping up in those FTs. Very nice.
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