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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

My nephew plays for a DIII school and he usually visits in the summer. Whenever he visits we go play locally and people always ask him if he plays due to his height. He tells them he plays DIII so they kind of give him a look like, "so basically you're not a player, you're just a tall skinny dude on some shitty small school's team". He then proceeds to dunk continuously on them, block everything etc. They then get pissed at him. He has gone to a lot of camps with a lot of D1 players and he tells me that the difference between one of those gusy and him is just vast. He says its hard to explain, he can "do" everything they can, yet he can't really do everything they can. He is very skillful and a good player but the thought of him palying against guys that are 6'10" and can dribble, shoot, etc. is pretty ridiculous. The thought of a wekend warrior being able to do that is laughable.

On another not, I once met Charles Oakley at a tailor he used. He wasn't physically imposing, he was obviously tall relative to me but nothing that would make you think this guy is a defensive/rebounding monster. Not sure what he was listed at, but he was not more than 6'7"-6'8" in person and didn't look that strong. I don't know how he did it and don't know how guys that are taller and stronger than him can't seem to rebound well.
I once played rec league ball with a D3 player. He had just graduated and was his team's all-time leading scorer (power forward). He said the same thing as your nephew. He played with plenty of D1 guys and could score on most of them if he was in the blocks. The problem was, they did everything he did, but a little bit faster, so he couldn't easily get on the blocks and generally couldn't guard anyone. But no one in our league could touch him. Our game plan was to grab a rebound and then chuck it down court, assuming he would get there first and dunk. It pretty much worked, except when he grabbed the rebound himself.

Re Oakley, I am surprised you didn't think he was strong. IIRC, he looked like a ton of bricks, though he wasn't especially cut. He usually placed second in the NBA's strongest man competition (behind Kevin Willis, but ahead of Malone). In other words, there were guys who were taller, but almost none who were stronger.
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They were just showing the Knicks vs. Rockets '94 Finals Game 7 and Oakley was definitely a bully on court. He was the "enforcer" and was there to grab rebounds and hurt people.
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i am not now nor have i ever been anything that anyone would ever mistake for a basketball player. but when i was in college i was a big-time gym rat and as a sportswriter i covered the college team that included michael cooper (all together now: 'WOW FG IS REALLY OLD"). he was a good guy and used to hang around to talk after practice. one time we were messing around and he dared me to try to steal the ball from him. he dribbled right in front of me, not doing anything special, and left me swatting air like a grizzly after salmon. then he wanted to do the same to me. i swear, i don't think i ever got past one bounce. people just don't appreciate the level of play those guys are at. if you ever get the chance, sometime catch a live practice. it'll blow your mind.
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^ I appreciate that fact everytime I watch Wade and Lebron live. When they hit the open court it's absolutely unbelievable how fast they accelerate and get to the other side of the floor - while handling the ball at that
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funny enough, when I bumped into him this was after they had just lost a playoff series, forgot if it was to Indiana or Chicago. After getting his autograph, I asked him, "Oak, what happened against indiana/miami?" He sternly said, "ask ewing".
Must have been the Indiana series where Ewing blew a pretty open layup to win game 7. That was a total shocker
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Also reminds of Jim Brown challenging Ali to box because he thinks he could take him. lol8[1].gif

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Jim Brown leapt headlong into acting shortly after retiring from football in 1965. But the Hall of Fame running back might have tried a much more dangerous line of work if not for Muhammad Ali.

Bob Arum, the legendary boxing promoter, explained the story to SI.com's Chris Mannix.

Brown introduced Arum to Ali, then asked him a favor: Set up a bout between the ex-football player and the heavyweight champ. Arum relayed Brown's message to Ali, who asked for a meeting.

"So I went to talk to Ali," Arum told Mannix. "He says, 'Jim wants to do what? Bring him here.' So I took him to Hyde Park in London, where Ali used to run. Ali said, 'Jimmy, here's what we're going to do: You hit me as hard as you can.' So Brown starts swinging and swinging, and he can't hit him. He's swinging wildly and not even coming close. This goes on for, like, 30 seconds.

"Then Ali hits him with this quick one-two to his face. Jimmy just stops and says, 'OK, I get the point.' "
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if you ever get the chance, sometime catch a live practice. it'll blow your mind.


Reminds me of my first courtside Clipper game, it was years ago when Alan Houston was still playing for NY. I was so excited and got there really early and he was doing his shooting drills and I swear to god the dude barely missed a jumper, doesn't matter where on the court, he may have gone 98 for 100. It is crazy how good these guys really are, it's on another level that you can't even imagine until you experience it first hand or be able to see it and grasp how difficult what these guys do.
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Reminds me of my first courtside Clipper game, it was years ago when Alan Houston was still playing for NY. I was so excited and got there really early and he was doing his shooting drills and I swear to god the dude barely missed a jumper, doesn't matter where on the court, he may have gone 98 for 100. It is crazy how good these guys really are, it's on another level that you can't even imagine until you experience it first hand or be able to see it and grasp how difficult what these guys do.
the thing that always gets me is the action in the paint. you don't get it on tv, but those big guys are COLLIDING. when y ou hear the slaps and thuds, you appreciate just what it means to have a 6-11; 280-pound guy throw his full weight into y ou.
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Also reminds of Jim Brown challenging Ali to box because he thinks he could take him. lol8[1].gif
re the ali story: back in the old days when i was a sportswriter, i coverd the light heavyweight champ, bob foster, who had an interesting relationship with ali (these guys are never friends; sometimes they co-exist). when foster retired, he had a big party and ali came in for it. we went out drinking (hey there's another one! been drinking with Julia Child, the Clash and Muhammad Ali), and late at night foster started kind of aggressively wondering about whether he could have taken ali. they started shadowboxing. my god. i don't think they ever made contact, but these guys were swinging blurs that stopped inches short of the other guys face. i was sure there was going to be a homicide (which would have beenn a great story, of course!).
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for all of Ali's greatness, how he treated Frazier was fucking unforgiveable and reprehensible. Total scumbag.
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foodguy is so cool. i should switch careers to journalism and be born in the 1910s.
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i am not now nor have i ever been anything that anyone would ever mistake for a basketball player. but when i was in college i was a big-time gym rat and as a sportswriter i covered the college team that included michael cooper (all together now: 'WOW FG IS REALLY OLD").

I remember Coop from the Magic-Lakers days, but I was a kid sitting indian style 5 feet from the TV. You must be mid 50's at least.


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^ I appreciate that fact everytime I watch Wade and Lebron live. When they hit the open court it's absolutely unbelievable how fast they accelerate and get to the other side of the floor - while handling the ball at that
Must have been the Indiana series where Ewing blew a pretty open layup to win game 7. That was a total shocker



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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Reminds me of my first courtside Clipper game, it was years ago when Alan Houston was still playing for NY. I was so excited and got there really early and he was doing his shooting drills and I swear to god the dude barely missed a jumper, doesn't matter where on the court, he may have gone 98 for 100. It is crazy how good these guys really are, it's on another level that you can't even imagine until you experience it first hand or be able to see it and grasp how difficult what these guys do.


I think this is 3 factors. #1, these guys are much quicker than mortals. #2 they are bigger. #3 their speed of thought is higher.

They are bigger and quicker and think faster which you just can't compete with. There are plenty of big dopes out there, but one that is fast and can think quick? That's very rare. It's why I always thought Kwame Brown was a dud, he can't think quick.

For me its the speed of thought that separates US from the DIII from the NBA.

I've also played a few times with HS prospects and DII or DIII college guys and what I kept getting caught out with was their ability to see a situation and react to it before you even move. It why whoever mentioned that guy getting the rebound and then the dunk happened. He just saw it before everyone else.

IMO, Jason Kidd was the quickest thinker that I've ever seen play. Its why he was always a step ahead and still as an old ass man get steals and can even compete.

I always wanted to see an average gym rat play in a game with an NBA team, then you'd really understand the difference.
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Originally Posted by indesertum View Post

foodguy is so cool. i should switch careers to journalism and be born in the 1910s.
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I remember Coop from the Magic-Lakers days, but I was a kid sitting indian style 5 feet from the TV. You must be mid 50's at least.
dudes, i'm so old i worked with actual typesetters. i'm so old i worked at newspapers when they were regarded as licenses to print money.
coop story: one of the great sports moments i'll never forget was when that little pissant danny ainge was in his freshman year at byu. he was just scorchingg the conference, burning everybody up. he came to unm and coop took him on as a personal project. it was amazing. it seemed like ainge spent the entire game with those long spidery arms wrapped all the way around him. hated byu. hated ainge. heaven.
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Ainge was a pretty good athlete. He played pro baseball too I think. A lot of those Celtics guys, if you did not know who they were and played them in a pick up game, you'd probably think you could school them as they all looked like they really couldn't play (Ainge, D. Johnson, Parrish, McHale, Bird). Looked like a bunch of suburban dads.
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Ainge was a pretty good athlete. He played pro baseball too I think.

A major league pitcher was once asked what he threw to get Ainge out. He replied, "strikes."
post #10485 of 17698
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Ainge was a pretty good athlete.
perhaps. but he was a whiny little bitch his whole career, too.
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