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post #10186 of 17993
Minnesota should trade for Rudy, just so they can boast of having the Gay-Love frontcourt
post #10187 of 17993
Speaking of LA, I'm looking for the lakers to beat the clips tonight (in spite of D'Antoni)
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

ok, my last post, I promise smile.gif
Kobe and Lebron are not just MVP's, these guys are once in a generation type players. In his wettest dream, Amare can't be half the player Kobe is. 99% of the league can't. That is why he is Kobe. If you are comparing people to Kobe and Lebron, they will always come up short. Amare is a specialist and he is very good at it. Whether that makes him worth 20 million or makes him a franchise player is obviously up for discussion but if the benchmark is Kobe, then the entire league, but for 5-6 players, sucks.
WHEW. i'm glad you guys got back to talking about the lakers. i was dozing off.
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Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

Minnesota should trade for Rudy, just so they can boast of having the Gay-Love frontcourt

They didn't need the names for it to be obvious before.



post #10190 of 17993
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

It's cool to keep posting, not much Knicks talk here

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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

The guy has played the game a certain way, successfully, for what, 10 years? And now people are dogging him because he candidly admitted that he never cared/thought about defense nor was he told to

its just when amare says things like he finally is learning defense.... its like a 40y/o guy deciding yeah I should go back to college and study political science! Or when my 40 year old sister decides that she's going to be a photographer - even though she's never even held a SLR in her hands.

There's always the chance that he learns to become a competent defender, even a beast but my skeptical side just sees his quote and goes sly.giffacepalm.gifeh.giffacepalm.gif
post #10192 of 17993
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

its just when amare says things like he finally is learning defense.... its like a 40y/o guy deciding yeah I should go back to college and study political science! Or when my 40 year old sister decides that she's going to be a photographer - even though she's never even held a SLR in her hands.
There's always the chance that he learns to become a competent defender, even a beast but my skeptical side just sees his quote and goes sly.giffacepalm.gifeh.giffacepalm.gif

I think you're right to be skeptical. He's just not a defensive minded guy.

And per the earlier comparisons... I don't think he's immature. Never heard his name in the papers, nothing, from what I can see he's an upstanding guy. I just sense he's a bit dense, that's all, and didn't intend for it to get read into any further.
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could also be that everyone is blowing it out of proportion. it sounds like an offhand comment, made without a lot of thought, that is suddenly being analyzed as if it was one of alan greenspan's pronouncements.
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Originally Posted by LawrenceMD View Post

its just when amare says things like he finally is learning defense.... its like a 40y/o guy deciding yeah I should go back to college and study political science! Or when my 40 year old sister decides that she's going to be a photographer - even though she's never even held a SLR in her hands.
It's a lot worse than that. Imagine someone paying you 15 mill a year to tailor the best suits you can, followed by you saying, fuck it, I'm just going to be really good at making pants.

My comment about him being immature is based on what he shows as a ballplayer. Do you guys remember his demands to be paid as a franchise player in Phoenix? And when they didn't bite, New York stepped in...again I've already said I'm fine with that, but if he was more mature he'd recognize that he was now paid as the franchise player he said he was, and shoulder the responsibility of making himself and his teammates better every time he stepped on the floor. And then when he got help in Melo, he again hasn't worked on a way to mesh well with him.

Again, it's not ALL on him, but he needs to step up. He hasn't, so he's part of the problem
post #10195 of 17993
LA v LA tonight. Should be interesting.
post #10196 of 17993
Let's go LA! LOL!!
post #10197 of 17993
Who the hell is this Jordan Hill guy?? Super high energy, involved in every play, love guys like him on my team.

I've known my share of crackheads that looked just like Matt Barnes at their worse.
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Who the hell is this Jordan Hill guy?? Super high energy, involved in every play, love guys like him on my team.
I've known my share of crackheads that looked just like Matt Barnes at their worse.

No shortage of high-energy-get-a-contract-impregnate-females-FTW 'talent' in the assn. He wont last. Very few evolve.
post #10199 of 17993
Damn.... looks like the Clips ruling LA, judging by the 1st half.
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JA Adandae:
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LOS ANGELES -- If this were November, or even December, the Los Angeles Lakers could afford to spin the positive signs and the tad of momentum from the ultimately futile fourth-quarter comeback against the Los Angeles Clippers Friday night.

Only it's January, and they can't afford losses of any kind. They're bankrupt. Whatever time, goodwill and good intentions they had in their accounts are flushed.

They are 15-17, and the initial feedback on this make-or-break stretch of five games is that they're broken. They don't have the luxury of taking comfort in their fourth-quarter rally that cut a 19-point deficit down to two. Not when their mission is to overcome the two games that separate them from the eighth and final spot in the Western Conference playoff race.

They couldn't win this game even though Clippers didn't have Sixth Man of the Year candidate Jamal Crawford, who succumbed to a foot injury he suffered in Denver and tried to play through for a game and a half. Chris Paul played more minutes than he has been and did more scoring than he has all season (notching his first 30-point game), while still managing to dish 11 assists.

The Lakers seem incapable of getting every part moving at once. They got the type of game they anticipated from Dwight Howard when they traded for him last summer, with him making his presence felt on both ends of the floor. They got the usual 30-plus point outing from Kobe Bryant. Steve Nash had 10 assists.
Chris Paul

AP Photo/Mark J. TerrillAt times, the Lakers could only stand and watch.

But their defense allowed 61 points in the first half and 87 points through three quarters. Pau Gasol looked only vaguely connected with the offense, and couldn't do anything with the ball when he got it.

Gasol's dismal night was the most glaring problem. The Lakers were minus-20 when he was on the court. He made only one of six shots, couldn't keep opponents away from the backboards or beat them to loose balls, and would have spent the entire fourth quarter on the bench if Howard had not fouled out with a minute left.

Gasol is trapped playing for a coach who doesn't believe in dumping the ball into the low post, and is further displaced by playing with another big man who gets first dibs on the territory Gasol would prefer to occupy.

"It's been difficult for me to figure out how to get there and operate from there," Gasol said. "I'll try to play the game as well as I can."

The Lakers have awaited Nash's return from an injury he suffered in the second game to see how the star-studded lineup they assembled would work out.

With Nash back for the past six games, we're beginning to get enough data to see where this experiment is headed. According to the Elias Sports Bureau, Bryant, Gasol, Howard and Nash have played 146 minutes together and have outscored opponents 325-311, or plus-14.

In 55 minutes with that group minus Gasol, the Lakers have outscored opponents 121-100 (plus-21). With Gasol in and Howard out, they have been outscored 134-123 (minus-11) in 53 minutes.

Gasol does have two key players championing his cause in Nash and Bryant.

"Six months ago [Gasol] was unbelievable in the Olympics," Nash said. "That's still in there somewhere."

"We need to go through him a lot more," Bryant said. "He needs touches on the elbow, touches on the post."

We know that won't happen at the expense of Bryant's shot total. Bryant's like a congressman who doesn't want to cut the federal deficit without reducing spending on his district. While Mike D'Antoni's credo is that the ball will find energy, Bryant believes that shots come to those who demand them and impose their will on the offense.

Still, Bryant sounds more sympathetic to Gasol's plight than he has been to Howard's struggles throughout the season.

Bryant doesn't appear to have much patience with Howard. After one defensive lapse, Nash tried to offer Howard a little encouragement. Bryant simply turned and started heading downcourt.

It's not that Bryant has hopped in the escape pod, abandoned the spaceship and gone off to his own planet. He still tried to tell Jordan Hill which defensive angles to take. He found Nash for a couple of 3-pointers. He exerted more energy on the defensive end than he has all season, guarding Chris Paul for most of the night and jumping the passing lanes to come up with five steals.

It's just that he and Howard are far from the devastating combo he and Shaquille O'Neal formed earlier in Kobe's career. Howard had more moments than usual, with 21 points, 15 rebounds and two blocked shots. He finally felt like a factor.

But rather than bludgeoning teams the way Shaq and Kobe used to, rather than winning the mental battle before the opening tip, the Lakers spend quarter after quarter, night after night, playing from behind. When it was suggested to him that the Lakers no longer have an intimidation factor, he complied.

"I think that's fairly safe to say," Bryant said. "Because we're a below-.500 team."

That's the only way to assess them. It's no longer about them progressing, or learning, or coming together. It's about them losing more than they win.
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