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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

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personally, yes, i am old, but i really enjoyed college ball before the shot clock. i loved the way a smart under-manned team could hold the ball and break down the defense. dean smith FTW!
also, props on mourning.

Just got caught up on this thread after the holidays.
Are you old enough to remember Villanova beating Georgetown for the national championship? Villanova, led by the 6'9" Ed Pinckney, outplayed a much more talented Georgetown team by passing the ball around the perimeter until Georgetown fell asleep and then running a backdoor play for an easy layup. They did this time after time for the entire game. It's the most perfect game of basketball ever played, but I was frustrated watching it at the time because I was rooting for Patrick Ewing and Georgetown.

OK, I'm out of the way-back machine. Back to your regular programming.
post #10157 of 17995
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Originally Posted by thinman View Post

Just got caught up on this thread after the holidays.
Are you old enough to remember Villanova beating Georgetown for the national championship? Villanova, led by the 6'9" Ed Pinckney, outplayed a much more talented Georgetown team by passing the ball around the perimeter until Georgetown fell asleep and then running a backdoor play for an easy layup. They did this time after time for the entire game. It's the most perfect game of basketball ever played, but I was frustrated watching it at the time because I was rooting for Patrick Ewing and Georgetown.
OK, I'm out of the way-back machine. Back to your regular programming.
do i remember? dude, i'd even QUIT sportswriting by then. but yeah ... that's exactly what i'm talking about. i'm reminded about that old joke: who's the only person who could consistently hold michael jordan under 30 points a game? Dean Smith.
post #10158 of 17995
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Originally Posted by thinman View Post

Just got caught up on this thread after the holidays.
Are you old enough to remember Villanova beating Georgetown for the national championship? Villanova, led by the 6'9" Ed Pinckney, outplayed a much more talented Georgetown team by passing the ball around the perimeter until Georgetown fell asleep and then running a backdoor play for an easy layup. They did this time after time for the entire game. It's the most perfect game of basketball ever played, but I was frustrated watching it at the time because I was rooting for Patrick Ewing and Georgetown.
OK, I'm out of the way-back machine. Back to your regular programming.

I had dreams about when he'd finally reach his all nba potential when he was on the celtics. frown.gif

especially when he'd do something super athletic like get a alleyop from bird then reverse dunk it.
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Originally Posted by foodguy View Post

do i remember? dude, i'd even QUIT sportswriting by then. but yeah ... that's exactly what i'm talking about. i'm reminded about that old joke: who's the only person who could consistently hold michael jordan under 30 points a game? Dean Smith.

Never head that but that's pretty good.

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I had dreams about when he'd finally reach his all nba potential when he was on the celtics. frown.gif
especially when he'd do something super athletic like get a alleyop from bird then reverse dunk it.

Just imagine what Len Bias would have done in Boston. My lord.





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Edited by idfnl - 1/3/13 at 6:50pm
post #10160 of 17995
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Amare on his "defense":
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"Just having a defensive coach for the first time in my career is going to help," Stoudemire said. "I've never been taught defense in my whole career. To now have a coach that actually teaches defense and teaches strategies and knows positioning and posture and how to guard different plays is going to be helpful. I'm going to take it as a challenge, accept the challenge and try to improve as a player."
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kinda true, isn't it?

I mean, it obviously doesn't excuse his lack of self knowledge, but in sports if you're never trained to do something you tend to just keep doing what you are trained for.
post #10162 of 17995
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Ummm, he's in the NBA, deemed a franchise player and about 10 years in the league. He should figure some stuff out to himself, DAntoni might be an offensive minded coach but the Suns couldnt make it as far as they did ifhe didnt teach some form of defense at all. Only a dumb ass would play the pick and roll well and not figure out how to stop it or figure it out how after a year or two. DAntonis offense also thrives on transition baskets and the key to that is getting stops so again, I highly doubt DAntoni didnt teach him how to rotate or position himself on defense at all.


He is also a big man who cannot rebound well for his size, it just means dude never had the drive to improve and that is why everyone has soured on him. He steps into the likes of Mcgrady who could have been great but was just too lazy or has no drive to improve their game.


Plus what is a more plausible? DAntini with his success in the league doesnt teach any form of defense at all, especially to his star players or Amare is an idiot who stuck his foot in his mouth, the same dude who punched the fire extinguisher glass, slashing his wrist and costing him to miss several games?
post #10163 of 17995
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Ummm, he's in the NBA, deemed a franchise player and about 10 years in the league. He should figure some stuff out to himself, DAntoni might be an offensive minded coach but the Suns couldnt make it as far as they did ifhe didnt teach some form of defense at all. Only a dumb ass would play the pick and roll well and not figure out how to stop it or figure it out how after a year or two. DAntonis offense also thrives on transition baskets and the key to that is getting stops so again, I highly doubt DAntoni didnt teach him how to rotate or position himself on defense at all.
He is also a big man who cannot rebound well for his size, it just means dude never had the drive to improve and that is why everyone has soured on him. He steps into the likes of Mcgrady who could have been great but was just too lazy or has no drive to improve their game.
Plus what is a more plausible? DAntini with his success in the league doesnt teach any form of defense at all, especially to his star players or Amare is an idiot who stuck his foot in his mouth, the same dude who punched the fire extinguisher glass, slashing his wrist and costing him to miss several games?

Oh, no, Amare's an imbecile. No arguing that. Plus, Woodson was around last year after D'Antoni got axed, so he certainly could have learned something then.

But, to argue his point just for the sake of it, think of a DH in baseball who only learned hitting his whole career playing in the minors and majors (I know, he still would have had to play a spot in the outfield somewhere along the line). Then he moves over to the NL and they say to him "you gotta play first base now". His first response is going to be "uh, nobody ever told me how to play first base."

Again, I know the above is fantastical, but if you look at it from an idiot's perspective, its plausible.
post #10164 of 17995
Thread Starter 
I think the difference is that Amare isnt being asked to play a different position while youe baseball analogy does. If Amare were told to guard a PG or to plays as a PG, then he has a legitimate complaint. I mean defensive rebound is still considered defense and for his size and strenght and athleticism, he should be averaging double figures in his career. Offensive rebounds, ok he isnt good at that becuase he chucks up a bunch of shots but on defense, i am sure DAntoni or whoever his defensive coach with DAntoni (which you said is also Woodson in NY) would have told him how to box out. I mean that is fundamentals that you are taught in middle school.

Just to flat out say he was never taught to play defense or how to switch or who to pick up on defense is just idiotic.
post #10165 of 17995
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

Oh, no, Amare's an imbecile. No arguing that.

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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

Just to flat out say he was never taught to play defense or how to switch or who to pick up on defense is just idiotic.

I think we're on the same page here
post #10166 of 17995
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We probably are, I think the argument now is on what level of dumbassness he is on. Cousins? Barkley? Mcgee?
post #10167 of 17995
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

We probably are, I think the argument now is on what level of dumbassness he is on. Cousins? Barkley? Mcgee?

I think this is more of a PR disaster. He probably said what he did to attempt to energize the fans into thinking he'd be playing defense. Instead, he ended up turning himself into a schmuck. I don't think he's nearly as dumb as McGee nor as mentally childish as Cousins.
post #10168 of 17995
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Originally Posted by Rambo View Post

I think this is more of a PR disaster. He probably said what he did to attempt to energize the fans into thinking he'd be playing defense. Instead, he ended up turning himself into a schmuck. I don't think he's nearly as dumb as McGee nor as mentally childish as Cousins.

I think Amare's this way for 2 reasons.

To say you were never taught defense is comic. All those assistant coaches, years of practice, off seasons and you still can't figure it out?

I've always gotten the impression Amare was a bit stupid, like dense stupid whereas Cousins is smart but ghetto stupid and McGee just seems high on acid all the time.

So reason 1 is he's dense and just doesnt get defensive nuance. Reason 2 is he's probably a bit lazy, he's relied on natural talent all his life and never had to do anything to succeed. He's another classic example of players that drop off a cliff the second they lose 1/2 a step.

While McGee is a comedy reel, if the guy finally develops some control of his body he'll be a monster.
post #10169 of 17995
I don't get all this uproar on Amar'e nor do I understand the thought that he is "stupid". When you consider his background (mom killed, he became a professional in the spotlight at an age when most of us were jerking off in our parents bathrooms) and you hear him speak, you don't see him in and out of the news for stupid activities etc, I don't get this image of a lazy doofus just crusing through life on his talent. Should he have post up moves by now? Of course. Should he be a better rebounder? Of course. But he is not the first nor will he be the last one dimensional player to play in the league. Some shit we look at as bystanders and say, how the hell can this guy not do that??????????? (Shaq/Dwight not shoot free throws etc). I remember Chuck Knoblach on the Yankees, he couldn't through the ball from second to first!! This was an all-star baseball player. I don't want to make excuses for Amare but a lot of these guys come up and they are taught one thing and told to do it over and over again. There are not many Kobe's/Jordans out there, guys who continue to add moves and continue to improve their game every single year they are in the league.

In terms of his defense comment, I don't think he meant that he doesn't know how to defend against a guy that is posting him up or going to the basket, he probably meant team defensive schemes, switches etc. The thought that D'Antoni tells him in Phoenix, "don't worry about defense, just worry about scoring 30 a game" is not that far fetched. You see coaches in all sports known as either defensive or offensive specialists and not really teaching or worrying about the other side. The assistants are going to fall in line with what the head coach is trying to do.

Anyway, I speak on the Knicks enough here so I'll shut up on this. Well, will also mention that the JR Smith dunk from yesterday was sick.
post #10170 of 17995
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
Well, will also mention that the JR Smith dunk from yesterday was sick.

Pablo Prigioni's lob pass was utter garbage...It was at Smith's hip.  Really speaks to JR's hand-eye coordination, dexterity, and overall athleticism that he was able to catch it at his hip and bring it up over his head to dunk it in one swift motion.  That said, the dude is a clown and I love him for that very reason.

 

 

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Sports Illustrated's Lee Jenkins tweeted this last night, "Once interviewed JR Smith for pre-season story and stupidly asked how his summer went. 'All right,' he said. 'Got out of jail'"

 

Some other notes:

- Kobe sounds like a whiner when he says the reason the Lakers are doing awful is because they're old.  News flash -- the Knicks are the oldest team in the NBA and they're playing like champs.  The Lakers just need to get their ish together, period.

- Damian Lillard is the ROTY this season.  I don't care what happens when Anthony Davis finally starts playing without the injury bug.

- The Clippers are legit.  They have some real depth on their bench and they match up well if everyone.  DeAndre Jordan is a man-child and don't even get me started on The Blake Show.

- The Nets (my team) are a bit of an enigma.  They have a pretty good roster on paper, but some of their losses are just hard to stomach.  Some of their wins are mind-boggling as well.  Some that come to mind are the OT win over the Knicks at MSG and the blowout of the Thunder when Kevin Durant was ejected for the very first time of his career.  Joe Johnson turned back the clock and had 33 points on 18 shots that night.  There's no way he can keep that up, but it'll be interesting to see him try.

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