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post #11131 of 14360
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Yeah, people don't know/don't think about what its like to have a 250lb man jump into you full force as you are going to the basket. Martin is an old school interior player, he doesn't save any fouls, he gets his money's worth. Melo is too soft for my taste but when you think about how many points he gets around the rim against multiple big men, it is a bit impressive.

Anyway good doctor, a question. Shumpert and Rose both went down on the same day with the same injury. Both are young guys. Shumpert has been back playing for about a month and Rose is still out with pain. Is that normal, guys heal differently to this ACL thing or is Rose being too cautious/Shumpert too aggressive?

obviously not the good Dr, but I'm going to field this one - I think Rose is effectively sitting out because he knows this team has no chance of going anywhere in the playoffs. And good for him, too. Why kill yourself to rush back, possibly re-injure yourself in the process, all to lose to the eventual champions anyway in the second round? Better to sit out, take the summer to continue training, and then come back to start fresh in the new season. Shumpy, on the other hand, doesn't play quite the same style as Rose (full on crash ahead) and most likely doesn't have the leverage with the org to try to hold himself out longer than 'necessary'.
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^rose seems like the type to actually want the challenge though. he seems to play too hard even in garbage time (kind of like larry bird in the 80's).

I wonder whats going on with him... I bet its his agent/family holding him back.
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The thing you have to consider is their situations... Shumpert is still basically playing for the potential of a big contract (he's still on his rookie contract) so he's going to show that he's back and can play. Rose already has his max contract and is considering his options.

My wife was fascinated with shumpert. with his hair and raw athletic ability (he was moving faster than anyone on the court) she was like "who's that?!"

The last two games, Shumpert has played as well as he ever has. Yesterday's game against Memphis, strictly on a speed basis, he was obviously the best player on the court on both ends. Similar to what you saw in Boston. On the other side of the spectrum, everytime I see Pierce I expect him to just fall apart during the game. Slow, old, flabby. And then he proceeds to throw 35 points down your throat.

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obviously not the good Dr, but I'm going to field this one - I think Rose is effectively sitting out because he knows this team has no chance of going anywhere in the playoffs. And good for him, too. Why kill yourself to rush back, possibly re-injure yourself in the process, all to lose to the eventual champions anyway in the second round? Better to sit out, take the summer to continue training, and then come back to start fresh in the new season. Shumpy, on the other hand, doesn't play quite the same style as Rose (full on crash ahead) and most likely doesn't have the leverage with the org to try to hold himself out longer than 'necessary'.

confused.gif With Rose at 85-90%, the Bulls would have to be at least the second favored team to win the East and I would say they would be the favorite when you look at what they did to the Heat without Rose and Noah. And if the refs let them play their style, who in the West could possibly play with the Bulls?
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Kevin Love smacks people with around 2600 lbs of force, which is about what an NFL linebacker will do. It's probably more the fact that NBA players aren't doing it to each others' head's that makes it safer.

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Definitely gonna go with genetics on recovery speed. Dr. James Andrews was saying only three people he's treated were true genetic freaks - Bo Jackson, Adrian Peterson, and Robert Griffin III. He said AP's knees were like a newborn baby's, which allowed him to recover much faster than a normal person who probably has scarred up knees by college.

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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

The last two games, Shumpert has played as well as he ever has. Yesterday's game against Memphis, strictly on a speed basis, he was obviously the best player on the court on both ends. Similar to what you saw in Boston. On the other side of the spectrum, everytime I see Pierce I expect him to just fall apart during the game. Slow, old, flabby. And then he proceeds to throw 35 points down your throat.
confused.gif With Rose at 85-90%, the Bulls would have to be at least the second favored team to win the East and I would say they would be the favorite when you look at what they did to the Heat without Rose and Noah. And if the refs let them play their style, who in the West could possibly play with the Bulls?

Uh...Do you live in Chicago?

SA, and OKC

Miami in the East

possibly even the Knicks
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Originally Posted by Steve B. View Post

Uh...Do you live in Chicago?

SA, and OKC

Miami in the East

possibly even the Knicks

uh, no.

but the league has gotten so soft, small and offensive minded that I throwback defensive team like the bulls (or pacers) are the kind of team that can just steamroll over everyone, assuming the league doesn't have the refs call every little thing. I like SA as much as anyone, I think they have been the most consistent team of the last decade but I wouldn't pin my hopes on a chip if Duncan and Parker have to be subject to 7 games of Bulls type basketball. On OKC, wake me up when they have actually won something.

The Knicks, who I obviously love, are not a good matchup against the Bulls. Deng plays both ends against Melo very well, Chandler/Noah cancel each other out and on the remaining players, I have to unfortunately give the Bulls the edge, this is assuming Rose is back. The Knicks are set up to beat Miami and I think they will in the playoffs, if they have to go through Indiana or Chicago to get there, they could be in trouble.
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Someone needs to bring hand checking back. Stat. There's not been a season that's caught my attention for the whole duration in like a long long time. Not to say this is the only reason, but it's just like well you guys are pretty much summing it all up. Offense sells I guess is what Stern or whoever figures and okay but it's been kind of ridiculous for a while. That's bitter, I know, but seriously.
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

Don't you mean six confused.gif

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I was only counting from the Celtics game (the good teams run).
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Originally Posted by Vickt View Post

Kevin Love smacks people with around 2600 lbs of force, which is about what an NFL linebacker will do. It's probably more the fact that NBA players aren't doing it to each others' head's that makes it safer.

You're dead wrong on this. You're not considering vectors. A guy may make contact but he's spent a lot of energy elevating. In addition, unless you go strait up on D now, its usually a foul. In addition, most NFL contact is shoulder led, a more 'pointed' surface than a whole body smacking into another (chest to chest), the more surface area, the more the force is spread.

There are few opportunities in the NBA to even approach the ferocity of the direct contact in the NFL. I honestly get scared for those guys when I see them on Hard Knocks. Its a vicious sport. There was an excellent article in Esquire, I think it was last month, that speaks about the problem the NFL has. The player is bigger and stronger than the forces that the body being struck can tolerate.
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

You're dead wrong on this. You're not considering vectors. A guy may make contact but he's spent a lot of energy elevating. In addition, unless you go strait up on D now, its usually a foul. In addition, most NFL contact is shoulder led, a more 'pointed' surface than a whole body smacking into another (chest to chest), the more surface area, the more the force is spread.

There are few opportunities in the NBA to even approach the ferocity of the direct contact in the NFL. I honestly get scared for those guys when I see them on Hard Knocks. Its a vicious sport. There was an excellent article in Esquire, I think it was last month, that speaks about the problem the NFL has. The player is bigger and stronger than the forces that the body being struck can tolerate.

i think the worse collision I've ever seen was in baseball:

johnny damon damin jackson collision - warning... this is very very bad:


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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

uh, no.

but the league has gotten so soft, small and offensive minded that I throwback defensive team like the bulls (or pacers) are the kind of team that can just steamroll over everyone, assuming the league doesn't have the refs call every little thing. I like SA as much as anyone, I think they have been the most consistent team of the last decade but I wouldn't pin my hopes on a chip if Duncan and Parker have to be subject to 7 games of Bulls type basketball. On OKC, wake me up when they have actually won something.

The Knicks, who I obviously love, are not a good matchup against the Bulls. Deng plays both ends against Melo very well, Chandler/Noah cancel each other out and on the remaining players, I have to unfortunately give the Bulls the edge, this is assuming Rose is back. The Knicks are set up to beat Miami and I think they will in the playoffs, if they have to go through Indiana or Chicago to get there, they could be in trouble.

Bulls played the same style of D back in 2011 and lost in five to the Heat.
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Originally Posted by Gibonius View Post

Bulls played the same style of D back in 2011 and lost in five to the Heat.

what does that mean???? Are the Heat going to take a time machine back to 2011 when the playoffs start?
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If you want to see what a high-impact contact looks like, without the pads, look at some rugby hits. Top rugby players are world-class athletes, maybe not NFL class in terms of the combination of size and speed , but close enough for this purpose. The only thing that keeps it somewhat sane is that they are usually not tackling to save a yard or two but rather to bring the man down in a controlled fashion and ideally get control the ball, so the technique is a little different. But the occasional boom hit can be pretty scary. I remember I was once watching an amateur rugby match with some ex- scrub Washington Redskin cornerback play and it scared the hell out of me just watching - he was so big and fast compared to the weekend players, it was like watching a bowling ball on crack.
Here is the first video that popped up. I have no idea if it is the "best" one, but it certainly gives you an idea (for some reason it starts with pictures of bloody faces and fights, rather than actual tackles, so skip that):

And, no, basketball is nothing like this.

Edit: here is "World Cup Edition" compilation, so this gives you a better sense of what is considered "normal" in the sport:
Edited by dopey - 3/28/13 at 11:44am
post #11145 of 14360
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post

what does that mean???? Are the Heat going to take a time machine back to 2011 when the playoffs start?

You're saying that the Bulls would be the favorites over the Heat because of the style of ball they play. They played the same style two years ago, and lost. Obviously the Heat can win over that type of play. The Heat are a better team this year, the Bulls are worse. I can't see any reason not to say that the Heat would be the favorite over anybody (except maybe the Spurs), other than simply not liking the Heat.
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