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post #8296 of 11876
6/26/12 at 10:19am
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post #8297 of 11876
6/26/12 at 12:51pm
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I say Nash to OKC.... perfect fit
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/8094469/nba-free-agency-steve-nash-says-open-everything

Does OKC have enough cash for Nash (i.e. enough cap space)? If they could add Nash and keep the rest of the team together, he'd make them the favorites next year.
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post #8298 of 11876
6/26/12 at 1:13pm
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Does OKC have enough cash for Nash (i.e. enough cap space)? If they could add Nash and keep the rest of the team together, he'd make them the favorites next year.

No shit. Nash would be brilliant... great in a fast paced offense, pass first shoot second. Would get everyone easier buckets. Not the best defender, but eh.

He should sacrifice some $ and get this team over the hump. Or OKC should show its kids some commitment and go over the cap.
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post #8299 of 11876
6/26/12 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by RFX45 View Post

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I have seen that posted in about 50 places and it still amazes me much it looks like, well you know. And Bosh just looks in ecstasy, just drinking it up. Fucking weird.
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post #8300 of 11876
6/26/12 at 2:30pm
I think that more than anything else OKC needs someone to throw the ball to in the low post.
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post #8301 of 11876
6/26/12 at 7:02pm
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Nope. Nope. Nope.
Here is the difference: Jordan didnt go looking for a Dwade and Bosh to lick balls with. Pippen was drafted in. Look at some of those late 80's early 90's Bulls rosters, they make the Heat bench look like all stars. There wasnt a huge amount of talent there. Jordan and Pippen did most of it. And Pippen was way the 2nd fiddle.
And for that matter, neither did Magic or Bird. Those were pretty average rosters. Other than Kareem and McHale, not a huge amount of talent. You could even say that for the Bad Boys era for Detroit too.
Look, for me there will always be an asterisk on Lebron: needed 2 stars with him to do it.
I dont think there is a team in the league that doesnt crunch numbers like Dallas did. Thats why I was saying way back that Lin was gonna get figured out. There are guys looking at everything, every play, every dribble, position, substitution, you name it. OKC was too. I am still amazed that they didnt make the right changes. There were a litany of shit decisions:
  • Harden on Lebron
  • Fisher too many minutes
  • Doing nothing to get Durant better position
  • Rarely pounding the ball inside
  • No defensive variation
  • Too many iso's on offense
  • Failing to block out
  • Bad transition defense
On and on and on. There was a fundamental breakdown in decision making and the coaching staff is to blame.
lol, the first part of your rebuttal, besides being utterly wrong, is missing my point entirely. I was saying that Jordan and Lebron were both the best player in the league that couldn't win a title and faced immense criticism because of it. when Jordan won his first, the floodgates opened. let's see with Lebron. I of course am hopeful that the parallel continues.

I wrote nothing about Lebron being comparable to Jordan in any way except the above. in fact the very first few words of my post said "comparisons are premature"!!!

btw you really need to at least fact check before you post. otherwise it's pointless to have a discussion with you. Jordan, Bird and Magic didn't have much help??
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post #8302 of 11876
6/26/12 at 7:24pm
here are a few players who are also "bitches" for changing teams to try to get a ring -

Barkley
Drexler
Shaq
Karl Malone
Payton
Garnett
Ray Allen

KG,Allen, Pierce and Danny Ainge orchestrated the creation of the last "big 3".and I'm sure you Laker fans enjoyed signing the best player in the league (Shaq) for even worse basketball reasons than Lebron (wanted to go Hollywood), and see him collude with Malone and Payton to join him and Kobe later
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post #8303 of 11876
6/26/12 at 7:41pm
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btw you really need to at least fact check before you post. otherwise it's pointless to have a discussion with you. Jordan, Bird and Magic didn't have much help??

The best teams of the 80's were completely stacked (the 86 Celtics started FOUR Hall of Famers and their NBA Best Sixth Man Bill Walton was another). The lesson is that the NBA is at its best when there are a handful of superteams and a handful of up and comers. The best 20 or so players in the league are playing at a different level than the rest and if those 20 guys are scattered evenly through the league, its just boring. "The Decision" was the best thing that could have happened to the league and if malignant cancer sores like Skip Bayless don't like it, that only shows how right it was.
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post #8304 of 11876
6/26/12 at 7:54pm
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Originally Posted by AldenPyle View Post

The best teams of the 80's were completely stacked (the 86 Celtics started FOUR Hall of Famers and their NBA Best Sixth Man Bill Walton was another). The lesson is that the NBA is at its best when there are a handful of superteams and a handful of up and comers. The best 20 or so players in the league are playing at a different level than the rest and if those 20 guys are scattered evenly through the league, its just boring. "The Decision" was the best thing that could have happened to the league and if malignant cancer sores like Skip Bayless don't like it, that only shows how right it was.

That is total bullshit. Bill Walton? Dude had feet so bad when he arrived in Boston he could barely play. Averaged like 4 points a game or something. I am not saying they were not good players but you cant compare. What the have done is take 3 stars in their prime and put them together. It was novel to the league, and it was well publicized as such.

In the 80's Boston and LA dominated, but that is no different than modern times. There are just a lot more top players out there than before. Watch those old games, they were good solid, well rounded professional teams but its not the same.
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post #8305 of 11876
6/26/12 at 7:58pm
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Originally Posted by HRoi View Post

here are a few players who are also "bitches" for changing teams to try to get a ring -
Barkley
Drexler
Shaq
Karl Malone
Payton
Garnett
Ray Allen
KG,Allen, Pierce and Danny Ainge orchestrated the creation of the last "big 3".and I'm sure you Laker fans enjoyed signing the best player in the league (Shaq) for even worse basketball reasons than Lebron (wanted to go Hollywood), and see him collude with Malone and Payton to join him and Kobe later

Nobody questions this. But, did any of them make their decision on an hour long TV special all built up? No. That was so stupid its beyond belief.

And look, nobody faulted James for wanting to move teams but come on, even a fanboi like you can see the idiocy of the decision, the pep rally and not 1 not 2 not 3.... and self titling yourself the king, the worst of all.
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post #8306 of 11876
6/26/12 at 8:07pm
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Nobody questions this. But, did any of them make their decision on an hour long TV special all built up? No. That was so stupid its beyond belief.
And look, nobody faulted James for wanting to move teams but come on, even a fanboi like you can see the idiocy of the decision, the pep rally and not 1 not 2 not 3.... and self titling yourself the king, the worst of all.

Jesus, it was two years ago.

Get over it.

I'm sure you're still wounded by that pretty girl that dumped you in the 8th grade too, but you need to let it go.

Can only imagine anyone in your RL circle, scared to make a mistake around you because you'll hop all over them and bring up shit that happened years back.

No one liked it, it was a mistake.... AND TWO YEARS AGO.

I understand Lebron hating is your schtick but its getting old.
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post #8307 of 11876
6/26/12 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by idfnl View Post

Nobody questions this. But, did any of them make their decision on an hour long TV special all built up? No. That was so stupid its beyond belief.
And look, nobody faulted James for wanting to move teams but come on, even a fanboi like you can see the idiocy of the decision, the pep rally and not 1 not 2 not 3.... and self titling yourself the king, the worst of all.
I don't defend any of that. it was arrogant and put a big target on their backs. but you keep changing the arguments. the earlier posts (not necessarily just by you) specifically flame Lebron for changing teams.

and I'm still LOL about the Jordan/Bird/Magic comments.
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post #8308 of 11876
6/26/12 at 9:32pm
It's fun how all the hate gets focused on Lebron, when all he did was exercise his free agent rights in a tasteless manner. We have guys like Deron Williams, who got the longest tenured coach in the league fired and still demanded a trade. Carmelo demands a trade. Howard acts like a bitch all year and gets his coach fired. This stuff happens in the NBA, and Lebron's case was much less egregious than those other examples. We just focus on him because he's the best player in the league. The guys that sit tight their whole career usually have better organizations than the Cavs around them. Kobe's pushed for trades before and they pull off magic like getting Pau for peanuts.
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post #8309 of 11876
6/27/12 at 5:41am
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It's fun how all the hate gets focused on Lebron, when all he did was exercise his free agent rights in a tasteless manner. We have guys like Deron Williams, who got the longest tenured coach in the league fired and still demanded a trade. Carmelo demands a trade. Howard acts like a bitch all year and gets his coach fired. This stuff happens in the NBA, and Lebron's case was much less egregious than those other examples. We just focus on him because he's the best player in the league. The guys that sit tight their whole career usually have better organizations than the Cavs around them. Kobe's pushed for trades before and they pull off magic like getting Pau for peanuts.

It that really ALL he did, "exercise his free agent rights"? I seem to remember other douchy behavior, some of it unprecedented, even in a league full of giant egos. And this is in addition to the announcement, celebration counting the number of championships they'd win, etc.:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/blog/the_dagger/post/LeBron-gets-dunked-on-by-Xavier-player-confisca?urn=ncaab,175293
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124468202025004689.html

The behavior of others doesn't excuse LeBron's behavior. The guy simply has no class (he's concerned only about his image, not the substance behind the image).
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post #8310 of 11876
6/27/12 at 5:44am
had no class. he's matured in the last year
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