NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread - Page 673

I don't see Pierce and KG with 3 more years in them. Pierce is alsready struggling and KG is kind of slipping these days, the only thing that hasnt aged with KG is his mouth.

They do need to rebuild soon but i think they can keep Rondo and kind of build around him. Whats the contracts for KG and PP looking? How many years does each have and how much is owed? Those two doesnt seem like someone who would retire unless forced by injury but they might be able to take a veterans minimu for the Celts if it opens up the cap for a good player to come?


Ive wanted to ask this for a while now but do you guys consider Doc a good coach? I mean most are saying he is one of the best but i just dont see it. Some broadcaster even deemed him to be one of the greatest once said and done and i really cant see why. The Celts were terrible (worst team in the L?) before KG and Ray got there and even though theyve been a contender ever since, I am not sure Doc had much to do with it and now he is struggling to keep them above .500.

Once the key players are gone they arent contending much anymore and might even miss the playoffs in a weak conference. I wouldnt even rank him in the top 5 in the active coaches in the league right now.

What do you guys think?

I still think VDN is a terrible coach, those Utah games could been handled better.

But with Phil, i see him as a good coach because if he didnt coach the Bulls, MJ might not have won 6 titles, maybe 1 or 2.

Phil couldnt do much w/o Shaq but granted Kobe with Kwame and Smush is a lot worse than Rondo, KG, Pierce, Terry, Bass, Green, etc... Even last year, the roster was still solid and could make a good run because of defense. Pop is still the best coach right now with what he has done with the team, Celts is just as talented this year I have a feeling Pop could probably make the Celts be like the Spurs is right now. Thibodeau is also one of the best coach with what the team has done w/o Rose, last year and this season (though they are losing again).

I dont know, i just dont see how great Doc is. Remove KG and the Celts will probably be right there with the Bobcats and Wizards because KG pretty much brought defense philosophy to the team. I mean he isnt as bad as Mike Brown who literally rode Lebrins coattails but i just dont see him being "great" as most are labeling him to be.

I just don't see MJ winning 5 w/o Phil, the triangle really made it easier to win w/o a great PG or a dominant center. Also keep in mind Jordan also couldn't win w/o Pippen but those two alone, I just can't see them winning that many,

As for the 2004 stacked team, the team imploded and nothing anyone could have done would make that team win. We all knew what happened afterwards. I'm not sure if he got outcoached in 2008, those were good games and Bynum was very limited. They got spanked by the better team that year, who is the Celtics who started the "Big 3" trend with a developing Rondo. They also had a whole year to meld together while Pau came in Feb iirc, 4 months before the playoffs.

I agree though, for the most part it is the players that helps coaches but you can also see by Brown and DAntoni and Avery that is it still takes good coaching to win with good players. I think Spoelstra is an average coach that is still likely being coached from the back by Riley who has the benefit of getting the biggest stars in his team.

I'm not sure I'd put Carlisle up there with Pop, he should be able to get more out of his team this year. Sure Dirks been hurt but they still got talent, Brand, Kaman, Collison, Mayo, etc... but every time I watch them they are getting buried, the games aren't even closed. Even the Bobcats has been leading against their opponent by double digits before throwing the game away but Dallas is a big mess right now. I'd probably put Scott Brooks ahead of him right now, the Thunder is consistently moving up the ladders and a title contender now with young and talented players but to manage and build that team on his helm has been great.


Back to Doc though, again I think he is a good coach but plenty are saying he will go down as one of the best once it is said and done but I just don't see it.

I don't think he is underrated at all, I thought it was well regarded how he gets talents out of his players. Pretty much gave Wade his first ring. RIley has been said to be the best of the best, probably top 5 of all time easily.