Originally Posted by prurient
Both Tricker's and Tricker's experts like Richard at the Shoe Healer will state that the 4497 is tts and the 4444 more generous. Buyers are advised to size the 4444 one full size down or even one and a half from their US size. I did that when I bought my first pair (US9.5 --> UK8.5) and the fit was perfect. Usually both Tricker's and retailers advise to size the 4497 only half a size down from your US size.
When I bought a pair of Allan boots made in the 4497 last and sized up half a size from the 4444 the shoe ended up waaaayy too big. Then I bought a pair of cordovan in the 4444 in my "regular" size (same as the pair in the 4444 I already owned) and the instep was too low. I basically struggle to get my foot into the shoe. So yeah, my experience following my first purchase has been puzzling. Next time I will stick to a UK 8.5 in both 4444 and 4497 or even go down to a UK8 if I decide to get a more summery shoe.
In the end I think the type of sole ends up playing a part in how the shoe fits. Commando sole maybe force the shoe to be more generous, while a double leather sole will work the opposite. In the end, I can only say that the 4444 lasted bowood with dainite sole is the most comfortable shoe I own (compared against Carmina Forest and Alden Barrie). It's so wide and comfy... Really love it.
i can def sadly agree with this.
i have owned and sold many pairs of Trickers, and still trying always to find the absolute best fit.
it is tricky...and def most tricky for those who are normally .5 half sized foot types.
I also add that not only sole choice (commando or double leather) but also material and style (Stow, Burton, Eaton, ect.) effects the fit feeling on encounters while wearing trickers.
A double leather suede Stow def feels different then a commando sole scotch grain Eaton, even on identical lasts. brand new.
because there are mm differences and after proper break in, it becomes more apparent to a wearer with attention to proper fit.
don't get me started when you have a resole on an old pair of properly fitting Trickers, that you send back to have resoled onto a different sole type then the original.
and then those come back fitting differently to what you have become family with.
that is a real head fuck.
i LOVE Trickers, but hate all this...