Stows are on the 4497
This last is not as roomy as the 4444 and suits me a lot better (I have high instep and find them a little more true to size.
You should be fine with UK 8 fitting 5 on 4497 last if you don't have wide feet.
Paging for Rightyow77.
Wow can't believe I missed these!
My size and damn well what I was looking for, thanks for keeping me posted really appreciate it.
Although, isn't the 4444 last a bit roomier than the 4447? I wear d in most dress shoes, but can fit an E since I wear thick socks with boots in the winter. Not sure how this loafer would have fit. Man the more I look at that ended listing the more I'm kicking myself. Oh well.