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post #91 of 179
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Stop shitting up my thread, you jerks. This thread is for discussion of Unjung's Bespoke Adventure (special appearance by Vox) and nothing else. And Vox's guest appearance is only for one of four acts, and that act is coming to an end.

+1000000 un. I'll follow you to a new thread if necessary
post #92 of 179
Vox's cameo in this thread was far too short, he needs more screen time.
post #93 of 179
unjung, Nice coat. The next will be better. Young guys are used of growing up, but many find out later to much about growing out. You will probably wear the coat out before you can't fit in. If the tailor left some room for expansion then it is adjustable.

Before I was in elementary school my oldest brother came home wanting his pant legs sewn so close that they had to be rolled off to get his pants off. That was the hot thing to do with that school group of boys. My opinion is that clothes should be fun and the tailors job is to make it. While there are standards, which change now and then, by no means does one have to live by them. Sometimes standards are required, such as work, though some try to get away with as much as they can. After work- clothes are for pleasure.
post #94 of 179
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Sophie =
post #95 of 179
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Originally Posted by Bull View Post
There's no rational reason to subjectively dislike a style of trouser that has been completely abandoned by the RTW market for years, as well as many (possibly most) customers of bespoke?

Nope--unless you are blatantly judging a thing merely for its popularity. In that case: yes, you are right, fishtail trousers aren't very popular. But that decides nothing with respect to the broader issue: do they look better or worse depending on one's age? If you are fundamentally concerned with what is popularly practiced or accepted, this forum makes little sense to spend more than a moment's time on in the first place--you're better off studying the latest Macy's catologue. Don't be the Cruiser of Styleforum.

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Btw, like many people, I come here to learn. Not only am I not an expert in matters of clothing, I'm actually barely a beginner, slowly purging crappy, bad sartorial decisions out of my closet and amassing highly respectable, well-made garments (now that I earn a paycheck that allows it). Your snappy, miserable way of interacting with me (and certain other members, but I seem to bear the brunt of it) is unbecoming and small. C'mon, Matt. That's bitch behavior. Grow up.

I've been around and around in circles on this forum with you and many others. I think it is fair to say that I've engaged your (self-admittedly) inexpert stylistic declarations in a direct, rational way many times--but never to any effect. Just because I make several initial attempts to logically, calmly approach a person or issue by default, doesn't obligate me to always do the same.

It's extremely odd to me that you profess to know so little, yet profess so much nonetheless.
post #96 of 179
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Originally Posted by edmorel View Post
Vox's cameo in this thread was far too short, he needs more screen time.

I love Lake Louise and Banff...what do you suggest, that I fly out to Calgary and get something made by youngjung's tailor?


- B
post #97 of 179
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
Nope--unless you are blatantly judging a thing merely for its popularity. In that case: yes, you are right, fishtail trousers aren't very popular. But that decides nothing with respect to the broader issue: do they look better or worse depending on one's age? If you are fundamentally concerned with what is popularly practiced or accepted, this forum makes little sense to spend more than a moment's time on in the first place--you're better off studying the latest Macy's catologue. Don't be the Cruiser of Styleforum.

I never said this. I mentioned the fact that such a garment has fallen out of favor as support for my position being reasonable, not that I base my opinion solely on what has or hasn't fallen out of favor. If I said I only wear shirt collars with wing tips when wearing a dinner jacket, I suppose this is "irrational," too? I dislike the look (with either a dinner jacket or ordinary suit), and it has fallen out of favor with the vast majority of RTW makers and customers of bespoke shirts (for use with ordinary suits.) Go ahead. Call me irrational.
post #98 of 179
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Sophie =

I prefer waifish models who subsist on diet coke and the occasional vodka (solely), because I think a woman's bone structure (a graceful back, gently protruding ribs, shapely arms and legs) to be subtly beautiful. I find bodies like this to be a bit too ample, bordering on vulgar. But it's a treat to look at and fuck about with.
post #99 of 179
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Originally Posted by Bull View Post
I never said this. I mentioned the fact that such a garment has fallen out of favor as support for my position being reasonable, not that I base my opinion solely on what has or hasn't fallen out of favor.

Popularity (or favorability, whatever word you want to use) is the only coherent premise you gave for your conclusion. You seem to be admitting here that the latter does not logically flow from the former, but don't provide any other premise to bridge the gap. So, yes, it's irrational to maintain the conclusion. This is what it means to engage you rather than to simply say "What the hell?" and why I tried to stop doing it.

Let's put it this way, we know these three things:

1. You don't know much (this is your own admission)
2. You want to educate yourself and overcome your ignorance.
3. You reject the established consensus on the basis of your ignorant opinions.

At least one of these things doesn't add up right with the other two.

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Originally Posted by Bull View Post
If I said I only wear shirt collars with wing tips when wearing a dinner jacket, I suppose this is "irrational," too? I dislike the look (with either a dinner jacket or ordinary suit), and it has fallen out of favor with the vast majority of RTW makers and customers of bespoke shirts (for use with ordinary suits.) Go ahead. Call me irrational

It's irrational to vehemently defend what you like on a subjective level yet claim that you are committed to learning what is good on an objective level.
post #100 of 179
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Originally Posted by mafoofan View Post
3. You reject the established consensus on the basis of your ignorant opinions.

Prithy tell, on what point is there this established consensus?
post #101 of 179
About braces-
Mom thought they were so old fashion, she recently died in her 80s. Granddad said that proper suit trousers came up on the ribcage aways. This give uniformity to the suit as a whole and lengthens the legs in appearances, and shortens the vest, he was from the 1890s. Short waisted trousers is more like and odd coat and odd trousers combination. But the younger generation changed the rules, as did the next generation and so on, as had been done with earlier generations (nothing new here). Today on these forums we have a mixed bag. I also like to see braces instead of them always being hidden, so the rule of never showing braces should stay in the past with the Brits. Seeing braces add curoisity about the person and shows some of his charactor, why hide that? White tie and black tie the braces would be a distraction, but with nearly all other clothes they are a pleasure to see. From my perspective some people are pushing the wrong rules.
post #102 of 179
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Originally Posted by Bull View Post
I prefer waifish models who subsist on diet coke and the occasional vodka (solely), because I think a woman's bone structure (a graceful back, gently protruding ribs, shapely arms and legs) to be subtly beautiful. I find bodies like this to be a bit too ample, bordering on vulgar. But it's a treat to look at and fuck about with.

:hurl:
post #103 of 179
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Originally Posted by Bull View Post
Prithy tell, on what point is there this established consensus?

You said yourself that although you know there is a palpable forum penchant for fishtail trousers, you think they look ridiculous on people under 30 because they are no longer favored by them. If you wanted to learn and extract value from your participation here, you wouldn't waste time rejecting forum tastes on the mere basis of non-forum norms.
post #104 of 179
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Originally Posted by voxsartoria View Post
I love Lake Louise and Banff...what do you suggest, that I fly out to Calgary and get something made by youngjung's tailor?


- B

It is still day light. You have time to fly out there today and see him in the morning.
post #105 of 179
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Originally Posted by greger View Post
It is still day light. You have time to fly out there today and see him in the morning.

Please. Vox flies for no one. His tailors, caviar, and boy slaves fly for him.
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