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post #931 of 5294
Nice pick up tv2177. My beefroll I got from SA have been great so far. Didn't think I enjoy wearing a penny loafer. Only fear is putting in a shoe tree and having them stretch out as I have a little heel slip still when sockless - but no big deal.
post #932 of 5294
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Originally Posted by tv2177 View Post

My ranger moc runs TTS.
Just got my beefroll loafers in today. The fit is spot on with maybe a tad of heel slip but I guess they should go away in a day or two of wearing it. I went TTS on the loafer and will report in another month or so about how it stretches out.
This is my second pair of rancourt and I am still impressed with every little details on this loafer. The new packing box is also really cool when Rancourt added "Authentic American Craftmanship" on the box.
the block-dotted sole cannot compare to the tempest sole for grip. I guess I will try it out on the wet floor when I get a chance. But, so far, on tile this sole doesn't really provide too much grip but I suppose it's better than plan leather sole.
Here are the pictures.






Here is a tiny chip on the leather sole but it cannot be notice while wearing.



These are great. Were they MTO? I like the contrasting blue inside and at the back.

Do the black dots stick out far like on a driving moccasin? If so, I think it'd be a no go for me since i do a substantial amount of walknig.
post #933 of 5294
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These are great. Were they MTO? I like the contrasting blue inside and at the back.
Do the black dots stick out far like on a driving moccasin? If so, I think it'd be a no go for me since i do a substantial amount of walknig.

I believe I have this same sole on a pair of AE loafers and they do not stick out. They are very practical: walkable with good traction. And they look good.
post #934 of 5294
^^ Frank, you beat me to it. They are indeed recessed. No personal experience with them. Very glad to hear they work well as I'm considering them for my next MTO.

tv2177, Great looking loafer. Enjoy! Wait til you get some scuffing on those soles and I'm sure they'll be a lot more grippy (although still less perhaps than the Tempest).
post #935 of 5294
As far as I know, OSB doesn't offer MTO. That's what makes Rancourt unique.

If you do go MTO with Rancourt, they are not going to make you a new pair if sizing is off. See their return policy.

http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/terms-conditions

I don't know about stretching, and I haven't seen it discussed on this thread as of yet. Better to try and nail the sizing, or perhaps buy first from a brick and mortar or online retailer that allows returns.
post #936 of 5294
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Originally Posted by C DicksonWright View Post

I am not talking about returning.  I am asking about exchanging for the next size up.

I just mentioned Rancourt and OSB because those are the first 2 Maine moc makers that came to mind.
But if it is a custom color order and they agree to exchange for the next size up---is that a stretching job  or a new pair made from scratch?  

If they do stretch the shoe up to the next size---what are the tell-tale signs on the stretched shoe?  Can someone here know?

Their terms and conditions state that it is up to their discretion whether a new pair is made or if the shoe will be stretched. I'm not sure if there are tell-tale signs if a shoe has been stretched.

AFAIK, if you are buying directly from Rancourt all shoes are made to order, therefore every order would be custom.
post #937 of 5294
^^ My apologies! I didn't even read the page I linked to. In my hopeful defense though, I think that page may have been changed recently? Or have I just been ignorant of this policy all along?

"Given that our shoes are made to order, returns will not be accepted for any reason other than manufacturing defects. Before placing your order, please be absolutely certain of your size because shoes cannot be returned for improper fit. When you receive your shoes, please try them on indoors on a carpeted surface to check if the fit is correct. If the shoes do not fit we will allow an exchange for the same exact style and color in half a size up or down from the original order, or one width in either direction. In cases of the shoes being too tight, we may be able to re-last or stretch the shoes to the proper size and it will be determined by Rancourt & Co. whether we will stretch the shoes or craft a new pair."

Can't answer your questions about stretching. And I'm baffled by how they would decide whether to re-last, stretch or craft a new pair. Regardless this is a really generous policy for MTOs.
post #938 of 5294
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Originally Posted by FrankCowperwood View Post

I believe I have this same sole on a pair of AE loafers and they do not stick out. They are very practical: walkable with good traction. And they look good.

this is correct. they do not stick out
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Originally Posted by ElDave View Post

These are great. Were they MTO? I like the contrasting blue inside and at the back.
Do the black dots stick out far like on a driving moccasin? If so, I think it'd be a no go for me since i do a substantial amount of walknig.

these are MTO.
post #939 of 5294
Value is in the eye's of the beholder. Very difficult to measure objectively. Some people might (an do!) believe that the ability to MTO is well worth the cost, especially if you know your size. Not to mention shoes direct from Rancourt are less money than buying from their retailers (unless you can find something on sale), and also less than competitors (e.g. OSB). Perhaps you should consider non-custom shoes via these alternative routes, since stretching is, indeed, far from ideal and you seem very skeptical about getting the sizing right.
post #940 of 5294
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Originally Posted by C DicksonWright View Post

 

 

Actually, for ~$250 a pair---these shoes are NOT worth that money, unless your price includes insurance in the form of returns/re-manufacture in the case of non-fit.  

 

Re-lasting is the biggest ripoff yet!  I can take them to a local cobbler who will stretch them out for $10.  Shipping and shipping back costs alone are more than that!!   Stretching is not good for leathers like cxl!

 

I wish I knew how to tell a shoe has been "professionally stretched".

It sounds like it could be that a Rancourt MTO is not for you.

post #941 of 5294
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Actually, for ~$250 a pair---these shoes are NOT worth that money, unless your price includes insurance in the form of returns/re-manufacture in the case of non-fit.  

Re-lasting is the biggest ripoff yet!  I can take them to a local cobbler who will stretch them out for $10.  Shipping and shipping back costs alone are more than that!!   Stretching is not good for leathers like cxl!

I wish I knew how to tell a shoe has been "professionally stretched".

It sounds like you're new to handmade shoes and you're coming off like a jackass. This isn't exact science in a state-of-the-art factory. It's a dude up in Maine with some leather, sewing shit together that someone will wear on their feet eventually. If you want a guaranteed 100% spot on fit, go buy a pair of Nikes or get a bespoke shoe done and have fun paying the corresponding price for it. Until then, try to be realistic about what you're asking and what is possible given you're ordering a handmade good over the internet.

He's making something by hand from the skin of a dead fucking cow and you're bitching that he's not providing insurance. Get over yourself.
post #942 of 5294
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They said they will exchange for 11D.   Now, if they will re-make a 11D pair for me, great! 

To be honest, I can't exactly wrap my head around this. Why not just exchange for 11D? What is the difference between "exchange" and "re-make", and why is the second better?

And, why not just call the "one of the Maine-based manufacturers" you purchased the shoes from? Best to discuss this with them.
post #943 of 5294
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 ^^^^   Are you finished with the childish tirade?  ^^^^

Sorry for him debasing this thread everyone.

Moving on, if anyone knows how to tell if a shoe has been "stretched" from size 10.5 to 11, please let me know.   If you work with OSB or Rancourt or one of the afffiliated vendors here, even better.

My situation--I ordered a pair of 10.5D mocs from one of the Maine-based manufacturers.  It is too small.  They said they will exchange for 11D.   Now, if they will re-make a 11D pair for me, great!  I am very impressed with their customer service and I'll do business with them again.   The 10.5 pair I have is very well made, only too small.

If they are going to stretch it out--
1.  It is cheaper for me to just get the cobbler here to do it, than to pay postage to mail it to them and have it mailed back to me.
2.   When I phoned the cobbler today, he told me that shoe stretching is not good!  It is bad for the leather, bad for the shape, and bad for the finished product.
3.  I'd rather return it and move on, than get it stretched.   A return warranty is included in my purchase.


Is there anyone from Rancourt or OSB in this thread who can advise me?  Rancourt's webpage is ambiguous about whether they will stretch it out, or make another pair. 

Have you actually contacted the manufacturer? If so, which manufacturer? Kyle from Rancourt responded to my emails very quickly.

Additionally, if you aren't comfortable with their terms, why did you order from them? There's a number of vendors, some of which are very popular on this board, who I won't purchase from because I'm uncomfortable with their terms, exchange policy, etc. You agreed to their terms when you purchased their product. Don't be mad bc you don't like a contract in retrospect.

Additionally, there is NOTHING wrong with stretching chromexcel. If you don't know this, I question if you've ever owned something made from chromexcel.

Again, making goods from hand is not an exact science. If you are not comfortable with this fact and the manufacturer's terms, purchase your shoes elsewhere. It's that simple.
post #944 of 5294

Hello everyone. I plan on buying a pair of camp mocs. I wear an 11 in sperry a/o's and I got a pair of the Rancourt suede chukka boots that brooks brothers was selling in a 10.5D and they fit me pretty well. Should I get the camp mocs in a 10.5D?

post #945 of 5294
1) Ask them to call you before they do anything and inform you of their plan for the shoes

or

2) Ask them what they did to your shoes after the fact.
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