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post #7051 of 7403
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Originally Posted by GSG View Post


So I confirmed with Rancourt and there certainly has been no misunderstanding, there is indeed a $150 upcharge to have a leather sole add to classic Gillman camp-moc bringing the total up to $400. Rancourt is offering a 10% off on first orders after you sign to their newsletter which would bring the total down to $360.

I am sure there are economic reasons for the price increase (materials, additional man-hours on custom orders, etc.) but as a customer I do find the upcharge a bit steep; especially considering what other competing manufacturers are offering. I think I will pick the ready-made Cape-cod moc.

Seems a couple years back Rancourt was the company offering better relative value across all Maine hand-sewers but it is a tougher choice these days after price increases and the custom upcharge.


That's absurd!

 

Used to be that they would customize a model for no upcharge at all.  Then they started implementing a $50 upcharge, which was reasonable.

post #7052 of 7403
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@GSG
 have you considered the unlined Sherman with the RLH sole?

It's a completely different shoe, but at $305 I'd argue a better value than the Alden.
http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/men-s/camp-mocs/sherman-camp-moc.html

Rancourt does have a pretty lenient MTO return policy now, too.

Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I had overlooked that model. It's a nice shoe but I still prefer the simpler look of non-pebble leather and the slimmer profile of the thin leather sole. That said, why do you think this is a better value than the Alden?

Nonetheless, this model also serves to highlight the pricing premium between custom and ready-made.
post #7053 of 7403
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That's absurd!

Used to be that they would customize a model for no upcharge at all.  Then they started implementing a $50 upcharge, which was reasonable.
Is it possible the up charge is so steep because they have add the midsole relative to the camp sole? Agree though that's a big up charge and would put me off.
post #7054 of 7403
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Originally Posted by GSG View Post


Thanks for bringing that to my attention, I had overlooked that model. It's a nice shoe but I still prefer the simpler look of non-pebble leather and the slimmer profile of the thin leather sole. That said, why do you think this is a better value than the Alden?

Nonetheless, this model also serves to highlight the pricing premium between custom and ready-made.


i'd probably go with the alden, but you could get the gilman and have a cobbler replace the sole for you for much less than $150 and probably with a better leather sole than what rancourt would use. $400 for a camp moc is crazy.

post #7055 of 7403
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Originally Posted by eljlakers View Post


Is it possible the up charge is so steep because they have add the midsole relative to the camp sole? Agree though that's a big up charge and would put me off.


No way, that Sherman with the RLH has a midsole and is $305.  (And that's with more premium materials, such as the RLH and American Bison.)

 

Their demand must really be THAT good.

 

I would think their cost to produce a camp moc on leather sole is like $50-$75.

post #7056 of 7403
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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post


No way, that Sherman with the RLH has a midsole and is $305.  (And that's with more premium materials, such as the RLH and American Bison.)

Their demand must really be THAT good.

I would think their cost to produce a camp moc on leather sole is like $50-$75.

I think it's more of a PITA factor

I asked them a couple times about putting a camp moc sole on a shoe with an existing midsole and got ignored. I suspect they just don't want to make changes like that

related, I'm about to do a premium refurbish by adding the Shaker sole onto my shell venetian loafer
post #7057 of 7403
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related, I'm about to do a premium refurbish by adding the Shaker sole onto my shell venetian loafer

That will be dope!

 

Just this fall they put a RLH sole on a boot for me that normally has a vibram christy, and I didn't even get hit with the full up-charge, just a bump for the materials.

post #7058 of 7403

@Portland Dry Goods about how much is the custom upcharge when ordering through you? If it's close, I'd just as soon do that. Thinking of a bison penny loafer on RLH sole. 

post #7059 of 7403
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Originally Posted by chuckb View Post

@Portland Dry Goods
 about how much is the custom upcharge when ordering through you? If it's close, I'd just as soon do that. Thinking of a bison penny loafer on RLH sole. 

Actually we haven't done custom for a year or two. it just so happens that we're in talks about bringing the program back to some degree, but I don't know what pricing will look like, or when exactly this will start up.

I will say our bison mocc at 355 would easily be 400+ as a MTO product. Partially this is due to the RLH sole, Bison Leather, and leather lining, which all add some luxury to the shoe, on top of the "1 at a time" production process, which is obviously less efficient than making a dozen or more at a time.

I'll keep you posted on official details (I'm excited to have quite a few developments to discuss in the future).

PS: We find bison tends to stretch quite a bit if it's unlined. it could be worth the money to line them up.
post #7060 of 7403
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Originally Posted by eljlakers View Post

Is it possible the up charge is so steep because they have add the midsole relative to the camp sole? Agree though that's a big up charge and would put me off.

Maybe a portion is due to that. But still, for example, you would see a $100 upcharge if you were to custom order a boat shoe with the classic rubber sole.
post #7061 of 7403
Was looking for some sizing advice...the 115 Last, is this considered TTS. I read through this forum and it seems that is the concensus. But the lastest offering of LWBs by Taylor and Stitch (by rancourt on the 115 last) recommended sizing down 1/2 normal size. Could anyone that has done that chime in? Thnxs!
post #7062 of 7403
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Originally Posted by GSG View Post

I am currently in the market searching for a pair of camp-mocs, my only requirement is that I want a leather sole instead of the traditional rubber. I inquired Rancourt about the cost for such a shoe and was a bit surprised by the high dollar amount of their estimate. Let me explain:

- Rancourt’s Gillman model, a standard unlined camp-moc with a rubber sole, goes for $250:

http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/men-s/camp-mocs/gilman-camp-moc.html

- Rancourt’s Boothbay loafer, a lined, suede camp-moc with a leather sole, goes for $320:

http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/men-s/camp-mocs/boothbay-loafer.html

However, I was quoted $400 for my special request. How could there be a $150 upcharge just to add a leather sole to a standard Gillman? Is the Company basically telling me not to bother them with my custom order? Is there anything I am missing? I cannot seem to rationalize such a premium for what I believe to be a fairly simple modification.

For the moment, seems I will be picking Alden’s Cape Cod camp-moc (despite the inner lining) which is a better value given the lower price and immediate availability.

http://www.shermanbrothers.com/product.php?ItemId=1000000164&ProductId=29910

Any thoughts?

Thanks,

 

 

If you go into the custom shoe configurator at the Rancourt site, the cheapest custom you can get is $395.    All of the moccasin construction shoes (ie, not boots) are in the $395 to $425 range. 

 

It sounds like "custom" = $400 to me rather than a $150 upcharge.     I know it's semantics, but I'd bet that's the case. 

 

Did you try to customize the Boothbay instead?  I bet they quote $400.  

post #7063 of 7403
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Originally Posted by marcusman View Post

Was looking for some sizing advice...the 115 Last, is this considered TTS. I read through this forum and it seems that is the concensus. But the lastest offering of LWBs by Taylor and Stitch (by rancourt on the 115 last) recommended sizing down 1/2 normal size. Could anyone that has done that chime in? Thnxs!

I was confused by that too. the 115, while longer than the John Last, is significantly more narrow. I can't imagine anyone sizing down. I'm considering going up to an E width of the 115 last for a next purchase. Anyone else find this to be true? 

post #7064 of 7403
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Originally Posted by kennyg75 View Post
 

I was confused by that too. the 115, while longer than the John Last, is significantly more narrow. I can't imagine anyone sizing down. I'm considering going up to an E width of the 115 last for a next purchase. Anyone else find this to be true? 

I wear the same size in both, which incidentally is also my Brannock size. The 115 is indeed narrower and (on boots at least) has a lower instep than the John last. From my dealings directly with Rancourt, they suggest taking your same size in every last they offer. 

post #7065 of 7403
3-yr-old Natty CXL Rancourt ranger mocs. Love that caramel color.
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