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post #3226 of 5308
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Originally Posted by TauKappaEpsilon View Post

Can anyone compare the Rancourt camp mocs to the LL Bean camp mocs? I love my LL Bean camp mocs so much that I'm thinking about buying a pair Rancourts, however, I'm not sure if it is worth more than double the price. For reference I have the Ranger Mocs and the Pinch Penny loafers, both of which I really like.

You can find comparisons all over the place, but the main difference is the quality of the leather used. LLB uses okay leather from some unknown tannery, of unknown quality. Rancourt uses chromexcel, which is tanned at the most well known tannery in the USA, if not the world, Horween. The quality of the leather is instantly obvious upon handling the shoes (photos will not do the job) and it's even more obvious after 6 months of wear, when the LLB leather looks like shit, and the CXL is amazing looking and rugged and thick.

Other points, the construction is just better with Rancourt, it's handsewn, with finer attention to detail and more subtle, hard to put your finger on differences in quality.

But, at the end of the day, not everyone is able to or feels it's worth paying for those qualities. A good cheap beater pair of camp mocs may last you just fine for now until you can afford a pair of $250 shoes. Most people on the street are not going to notice that you're wearing better shoes. And, it won't save you money, because you will almost certainly buy more. I have way more shoes, now that I'm paying $200-$500 per pair than I ever had when I was paying $50/pair. That includes 4 pairs of Rancourts at this point, not to mention my AEs and Wolverines.
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Originally Posted by wdahab View Post


You can find comparisons all over the place, but the main difference is the quality of the leather used. LLB uses okay leather from some unknown tannery, of unknown quality. Rancourt uses chromexcel, which is tanned at the most well known tannery in the USA, if not the world, Horween. The quality of the leather is instantly obvious upon handling the shoes (photos will not do the job) and it's even more obvious after 6 months of wear, when the LLB leather looks like shit, and the CXL is amazing looking and rugged and thick.

Other points, the construction is just better with Rancourt, it's handsewn, with finer attention to detail and more subtle, hard to put your finger on differences in quality.

But, at the end of the day, not everyone is able to or feels it's worth paying for those qualities. A good cheap beater pair of camp mocs may last you just fine for now until you can afford a pair of $250 shoes. Most people on the street are not going to notice that you're wearing better shoes. And, it won't save you money, because you will almost certainly buy more. I have way more shoes, now that I'm paying $200-$500 per pair than I ever had when I was paying $50/pair. That includes 4 pairs of Rancourts at this point, not to mention my AEs and Wolverines.

 

Thanks for the help. Money isnt really an issue considering I have two pairs of Crockett and Jones and 3 pairs of AE. I was strictly looking for the difference between Rancourt and LLB camp mocs. I love the leather on my ranger mocs and pinch pennys, however, I fear the chromexcel leather is softer and wont wear as well as the LLB leather. You seem to disagree. I may order a pair just to see. Hopefully it'll be far and away better. Thanks for your help!

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CXL wears infinitely better than LLB. I have a pair of LLB boat shoes and blucher mocs from back before I started with CXL/Rancourt. It's like night and day. The CXL might feel softer (although, it really doesn't, in my opinion) but it's much thicker and a year or two it looks great. And its way more rugged. I'm curious why you think CXL seems delicate? Perhaps you've only handled it on Aldens? If that's the case, they shave CXL down to be thin and calfskin like. Rancourt uses the full grain, so your boat shoes feel like their made out of slabs of leather. Rugged and thick, while still pliable.
post #3229 of 5308
CXL is relatively soft feeling, but toughs as nails. I think it's pliability is part of what makes it so tough.
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Most abrasion can be brushed out of cxl.
post #3231 of 5308
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Originally Posted by wdahab View Post

CXL wears infinitely better than LLB. I have a pair of LLB boat shoes and blucher mocs from back before I started with CXL/Rancourt. It's like night and day. The CXL might feel softer (although, it really doesn't, in my opinion) but it's much thicker and a year or two it looks great. And its way more rugged. I'm curious why you think CXL seems delicate? Perhaps you've only handled it on Aldens? If that's the case, they shave CXL down to be thin and calfskin like. Rancourt uses the full grain, so your boat shoes feel like their made out of slabs of leather. Rugged and thick, while still pliable.

 

The CXL Rancourt uses is thicker than the Wolverine 1K (CXL) boots I purchased which where made by Allen Edmonds with leather tanned by Horween. Rancourt CXL is pretty thick. At least on my Clymer II's anyway.

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...and just what were you thinking coming in here and expecting an unbiased opinion?  Did you expect to hear: "Rancourts are nice, but they are a little overpriced and the quality isn't that great.  I suggest you get the LLB and save yourself some money to spend on something more worthwhile."

post #3233 of 5308
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Originally Posted by Bakes11771 View Post
 

...and just what were you thinking coming in here and expecting an unbiased opinion?  Did you expect to hear: "Rancourts are nice, but they are a little overpriced and the quality isn't that great.  I suggest you get the LLB and save yourself some money to spend on something more worthwhile."

 

Certainly this would be biased. I guess I was looking for enthusiasm regarding why Rancourt camp mocs are so much better than LLB camps mocs.

 

Also, to those that asked why I think CXL is not as durable is because on my 3 months old pinch penny loafers the leather feels thinner and more pliable. After 1 week of wear I have very noticable creases and marks where my toe is which I do not have on my year old LLBean mocs.

post #3234 of 5308
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Also, to those that asked why I think CXL is not as durable is because on my 3 months old pinch penny loafers the leather feels thinner and more pliable. After 1 week of wear I have very noticable creases and marks where my toe is which I do not have on my year old LLBean mocs.

Well, yeah creasing and marks are a sign of CXL, it doesn't stay pristine. It's a pull leather, which means that it will form to your foot, stretch in places your foot pushes against it, and will get a great patina. LLB will keep a more consistent look and shape, but to my eyes it is dull and flat looking. CXL will be more personalized and will look more worn in, and will survive rougher encounters.

My CXL rangers have been in the ocean, mud and salt. They are scuffed to hell. But they also have a wonderful look to them, they shine through the scuffs, and with a little bit of brushing, they positively glow. And they look even better in person, than in this picture.

post #3235 of 5308

Maybe get the Camp Mocs in Bulldog or some other type of leather, if you aren't feeling the CXL.

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^ There's a thread over at Ask Andy comparing the Bean blucher mocs to the Rancourt version (link). The gist of it is that the Rancourts are miles better, and I can't imagine that the same wouldn't be true of the camp mocs as well. I have a pair of Rancourt camp mocs in the light brown buckaroo leather, and they're fantastic - probably my second favorite pair of summer shoes, behind only my Rancourt cxl pinch pennies.

post #3237 of 5308
Rancourt's fall look book is up, if somewhat clunky to view: http://www.rancourtandcompany.com/blog/2013/10/01/fall-2013-lookbook

Some interesting new styles it seems though I've just skimmed through the page.
post #3238 of 5308

Blake wingtip boot!! sweeeet

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Blake wingtip boot!! sweeeet
I saw that...the green?

Love the blazer in that look.
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I saw that...the green?

Love the blazer in that look.

 

Yup. The loden suede and brass eyelets looks killer. I think it may have a commando sole as well. I already have a Snuff suede Alden wingtip boot with commando on order so not sure I need two different suede wingtip boots but maybe a #8 CXL or Natural CXL...

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