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post #16 of 20
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post #17 of 20
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Whats wrong with just dealing with it or trying to overcome the anxiety yourself? I don't see how this justifies the use of a drug, however weak it might be.

because the benefit may outweigh the risks.

im not scared of public speaking and accept any opportunity i have to do it but my adrenal system still kicks into overdrive as soon as i stand in front of 200 expecting faces.

maybe over 20 or so presentations it will go away but i dont want to screw up 20 or so presentations in the mean time.

do you drink coffee or alcohol?
post #18 of 20
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Lol, who gives a shit about justifying it? If it lets me nail a kickass presentation in front of a client without the adrenaline rush my body is trying to sabotage me with, it's cool with me. I've used PEDs. Sue me!
By justifying it I mean rationalizing its use. With the potential for negative side effects both short and long term of which might not necessarily be obvious, is it really worth taking them just to do better in a presentation?
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because the benefit may outweigh the risks. im not scared of public speaking and accept any opportunity i have to do it but my adrenal system still kicks into overdrive as soon as i stand in front of 200 expecting faces. maybe over 20 or so presentations it will go away but i dont want to screw up 20 or so presentations in the mean time. do you drink coffee or alcohol?
That's the thing though, I'm not sure that it does outweigh the risks. I'm by no stretch an expert in this area and that's why I was somewhat vague in my sentiments, but I know that some blood pressure lowering medication such as vasodilators can have long term side effects on the body. These meds are justified by the fact that having a high blood pressure would be more detrimental than the side effects they may incur, but in the case of betablockers if they have any form of long term effect and the reason for taking them is 'to reduce social anxiety for presentations', I can't see that as being rational. As for caffeine and alcohol, yes I do partake, but in great moderation. I don't think this is entirely relevant though as the negative side-effects of moderate use of caffeine are small and outweighed by a variety of positive side-effects such as reduced risk of diabetes and respiratory problems, and including that of the antioxidants that it often associates with in tea (removing free radicals, reducing cancer and heart disease risk, etc.). And while alcohol might be quite bad in heavy use and may still prove to have added risks when used in moderation, it also has beneficial properties in reducing the risk of heart disease and diabetes. Furthermore the main risks with moderate use of alcohol stem from the potential to binge drink and thus cause damage to your body, rather than from the moderate use itself. But we're getting a bit off-topic here, though I will conclude to say that caffeine and alcohol have been around for a lot longer than betablockers and are also much more popular, which is important because it means there have been more studies and research involved. Consequently you're less likely to see surprises or any unusual adverse effects from caffeine or alcohol, while beta-blockers being relatively new and somewhat less common there are greater chances for adverse effects to occur that have not been accounted for in its recent history.
post #19 of 20
What's with the holier-than-thou attitude? Same thing happened in the other thread about propranolol. If it works, and it does, who cares? I'm pretty sure that 10mg pill kept me calm through all the shitty brain teasers I was thrown in the most important interview I've had.
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yeh just to clarify im not intending to take them every day, 4 times a year maximum.

the benefit vs risk trade off is a decision that can only be made my me because only i can know how important it is to my career to deliver these talks confidently.

i apreicate the voice of reason. you should check out the roids sections on forums like t-nation.
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