Originally Posted by rnrswitch
Wow, didn't mean to offend. Sorry I insulted the movie of the masses. And yes crappy movies do get made all the time, but titanic, alexander, the hulk, etc. all were made with the intention of being good movies. This movie was made with the intention of being a "B"style movie. It shows you how inflated movie budgets are when 40 million is considered slim pickens. Hell I would rather watch tokyo drift than this movie. I actually did watch tokyo drift and was rolling on the theatre floor LM'MF'AO (for all the sam jackson fans). Hell there was plenty of space on the floor cuz no one was in the theatre.
I'm not really offended, I just think that your reason for not going to see it sucks. Especially if you went to go see Tokyo Drift. SoaP is in my opinion, a better movie. I think here that there is a disparity of opinion about what a "b" movie is. Just so everyone knows... historically, a B-movie was a short or a secondary filler movie that played along with the "A feature" or "A movie". Roger Corman, who is often termed "King of the B movies" would be the first to point out that he did NOT in fact make B movies, since the custom of the double feature had died out before he started making them, he made low budget "exploitation films". Regardless, the exploitation genre was catagorized in with the sci-fi and horror genre's to create the base of the modern definition of a "B-movie". In the 1970's there was a resurgance in the production of exploitation, sci-fi, and horror movies, thanks to New Line Cinema, Canon, Golan Globus, Film Ventures, and Independant International Films. Almost ALL these films were lower budget than your typical studio fare, and many were not released widely. At the advent of cable television and video, many of them skipped the theater circuit entirely and went straight to cable, VHS, or Betamax. the B-movie directors in the 1980's, John Carpenter, Sam Raimi, Roger Corman, and etc. frequently spent millions of dollars on their films. Escape from NY's budget is anywhere from $5.5 million to over $7 million, and this is 1976/77 money. That wasn't even a lot for a movie BACK THEN! That was slightly below average. There are a handful of movies out there that were made for less than a million dollars in the modern age, Evil Dead, El Mariachi, and The Blair Witch Project are the three that come to mind, but its not a realistic goal and hasn't been since the early 70's. The cost of film stock and processing, or recently DV media, effects, and processing has made the sub $1 million dollar movie pretty unreasonable. Basically in Seattle we are talking about: One exterior location, one interior, five shooting days, less than a handful of principal non union actors, minimal crew, minimal sound effects, home made visual effects, no post pro or camera effects, three takes or less for every scene, handheld DV cameras or homemade dollys, self editing, self color correction and sound, and REALLY knowing what you are doing in an editing suite and are capable of keeping your onsite editing down to about 8-10 hours. Then maybe you have a 90 minute movie that will probably suck, and about enough money to promote it in a local newspaper. Thats gonna run your budget up about $100,000+ depending on where you shoot and what sort of permits you have to get. Film will cost more, take longer to edit, and ultimately will probably look worse than DV at that price point. So basically, unless you come up with a concept film, like Blair Witch, that utilizes crappy work as part of the atmosphere, your movie is probably going to sit on a distributors shelf until the building is condemned. Quality wise, probably in between what your home movies look like, and the cheesy re-inactments on America's Most Wanted. The 70's and early 80's saw sci-fi and horror take off in popularity, causing the line between b-movie and big budget A movie to blur. This is why the modern definition of "B" is so important. "B movies" are effectively sci-fi, Horror, or exploitation movies, shot for less than industry standard. There really is no other applicable designation. By nature B-Movies are all meant to be "bad" in some way, because filmmakers understand what they can and cannot do with the budget they are given. If you have a $5 million total budget to make a movie about a genetically mutated crocodile that goes on a killing spree, your movie is going to suck, because the CRAPPY, CHEESY effects that are within your price range for this are going to suck up 2 million of your budget over the two to six months that it takes to create maybe 20 minutes of footage. Your script, acting, lighting, score, editing, foley, permits, dv or filmstock, transportation, room and board, crew, mastering, and etc. are going to eat through that last 3 million in about six to eight weeks. You better hope the weather cooperates, and learn to shoot fast!