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post #16 of 35
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To get back to the original question... Upon deliberation I've purchased the Dunhill from STP. It's one of the Japanese models so many have had issues with. I've never bought anything from STP before and was able to get the additional 20% off.

I ended up buying 4 suits: Samuelsohn, Belvest, Bryant black label, Dunhill.

Samuelsohn is always worth $480. Frankly, if the suit was made in Italy and not Montreal it would retail for 50% more. If you want canvas construction, good cloth, and reasonable prices, give the brand a shot, very underrated. The cut can sometimes be boxy but not always.

The Brant actually looks decent (relative to the make). I don't know who made it - it's from Italy not Canada. If anyone knows anything about this "black label" Brant let me know; I've never heard of it.

The retail on it was $1200 and I paid $288. It's 2btn w/ high gorge, flat front pants, deep charcoal solid. No mention if it's canvas or fused, although I expect the later. At the price I paid I don't really care. I'll wear it to work and throw it in the garbage in a couple years.

The Belvest. Well. I don't need to talk about that, except to say I was happy with picking it up for $800.

Dunhill. It's the Japanese version I've heard nothing but bad things about. I expect it to be fused and not as nice as I'd hoped. That said, it's solid navy, 3btns, flat front pants, and that is exactly what I want to replace in my wardrobe, as I need to retire my solid navy Canali. It only cost me $520, so I had to pick it up anyway. If it weren't navy solid, and exactly the style I wanted, I would've passed. I'll use it as a work suit and keep my eye open for better quality solid navy options.

Thanks for the feedback people.
post #17 of 35
Are you in urgent need of four suits? You could have spent $2k and bought a pair of high quality suits in solid navy/charcoal or one extremely nice one?
post #18 of 35
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I would consider Samuelsohn a "nice suit". I also think Belvest is "nice". I suppose it's really subjective. I happen to drive an Acura, which I think is nice but my father believes to be crap. To him it's Mercedes or nothing. We all have our opinions.

The other two are work suits to fill the gaps. I don't really need 4 suits; my closet is already rather full. However, I did want to pick up one charcoal and one navy for work. The Sammy and Belvest I bought just because.

I live in Edmonton, Canada, and there isn't the opportunity to frequent outlets here. The city barely holds 1 million and has only 3 quality shops. I don't think I could get into Zegna, Brioni, Oxxford, or anything higher for anywhere near $1000. You take what you can get.

But, hey, if I'm wrong and I could get into 2 solid charcoal or solid navy high enders for 2K let me know the link. I can always send my STP purchases back.
post #19 of 35
I would consider Belvest better than "nice." Also, STP has great customer service. It sounds to me like you did very well. Congrats.

What is the color/material/cut on the Belvest?
post #20 of 35
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http://www.sierratradingpost.com/pro...x?baseno=52776

That is the Belvest link. I've never owned one, so I hope I'll be happy. I don't know how the cut is, so STP is ideal for me since I can exchange or refund the suit if I don't like it. I am hoping it's slimmer fitting.
post #21 of 35
Looks nice! A little unusual, which is great.
post #22 of 35
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Originally Posted by drizzt3117
Ya they're like Zegna main line...

I kinda wish I bought that blazer from Saks once it went to 50% off but they sent all that stuff off to the outlets, or someone bought them, weren't there on Friday when I stopped by, I think the final lowest price was about $280-300 for the blazer.

Only the "Made in Italy" stuff is made by Zegna , SOF also carry the "Made in Japan" stuff, which is not by Zegna and not nearly as good as the Italian made. STP Dunhill stuff are mostly Japan made, so I would not get them.

I got one Italian dunhill suit the other day @ SOF for 450 after the 30% coupon, very happy with it......
post #23 of 35
For example, you could have gotten two of these for the same price:

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/pro...x?baseno=48394

or the above and this one:
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/pro...x?baseno=48575

My point is that instead of purchasing four suits you could have gotten two Belvest or Isaia even if you're considering only STP as a source.

JM2C
post #24 of 35
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Originally Posted by SuitingStyle
Only the "Made in Italy" stuff is made by Zegna , SOF also carry the "Made in Japan" stuff, which is not by Zegna and not nearly as good as the Italian made. STP Dunhill stuff are mostly Japan made, so I would not get them.

I got one Italian dunhill suit the other day @ SOF for 450 after the 30% coupon, very happy with it......

I didn't see any of the Made in Japan ones at actual Saks, but wouldn't be surprised if they were at the outlets.
post #25 of 35
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by drizzt3117
For example, you could have gotten two of these for the same price:

http://www.sierratradingpost.com/pro...x?baseno=48394

or the above and this one:
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/pro...x?baseno=48575

My point is that instead of purchasing four suits you could have gotten two Belvest or Isaia even if you're considering only STP as a source.

JM2C

I understand what you're saying here. The problem though is I said "solid navy and solid charcoal". Also, they're not in my size, 42L, which can sometimes be difficult to find much of.

The imperative point I want to make is it isn't easy finding plain navy or charcoal on deep discounts, especially the high enders.

I get your point. Sometimes, like when I bought the Belvest at STP, I buy for the make and not so much for the color. When you limit yourself to solid navy or charcoal the selection becomes very thin on the sale rack. In the end I will probably do MTM for the solid navy during the winter sale in January.
post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by ezboy1000
I understand what you're saying here. The problem though is I said "solid navy and solid charcoal". Also, they're not in my size.

I get your point. Sometimes, like when I bought the Belvest at STP, I buy for the make and not so much for the color. When you limit yourself to solid navy or charcoal the selection becomes very thin on the sale rack. In the end I will probably do MTM for the solid navy during the winter sale in January.

There is that, but my point was that you bought those items even though you admitted on the post that they'd likely not be good quality. I agree that solid navy and charcoal suits are harder to find. I found a couple nice Brioni suits in solid charcoal and navy on ebay but it took a while to locate the right size.
post #27 of 35
Thread Starter 
Yes, yes. That's true. I feel like I want the navy and charcoal NOW. Truth is, like most people on this board, I have filled 3 closets of my house with my clothing so far, and one is a large walk in. I think I have 4-5 blue and 3-4 grey suits already - but both my solids need to be retired.

So... I really don't "need" the suits; I could wait. I tend to buy 3-5 suits per year. As much as I say I will just "wear them anyway", if the quality is below my standards I will send them back. In my OCD way I keep hoping the Dunhill will be surprisingly decent. Yes that's illogical. I know.

I've been feeling impatient because I can't get my hands on solid navy or charcoal, and have been looking a long time now. I refuse to pay full retail for OTR. I may end up doing the MTM sale and go Zegna. At least then I can style my suit the way I like, get an extra pair of trousers too.
post #28 of 35
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Originally Posted by ezboy1000
Yes, yes. That's true. I feel like I want the navy and charcoal NOW. Truth is, like most people on this board, I have filled 3 closets of my house with my clothing so far, and one is a large walk in. I think I have 4-5 blue and 3-4 grey suits already - but both my solids need to be retired.

So... I really don't "need" the suits; I could wait. I tend to buy 3-5 suits per year. As much as I say I will just "wear them anyway", if the quality is below my standards I will send them back. In my OCD way I keep hoping the Dunhill will be surprisingly decent. Yes that's illogical. I know.

I've been feeling impatient because I can't get my hands on solid navy or charcoal, and have been looking a long time now. I refuse to pay full retail for OTR. I may end up doing the MTM sale and go Zegna. At least then I can style my suit the way I like, get an extra pair of trousers too.

I just don't see the fuss over having a perfectly solid navy or charcoal suit. I don't have one myself, precisely because it's too much hassle to pay full price for a good one or wait forever for the right eBay auction when I can make do with "close enough" for a much better price. A nailhead, a subtle windowpane plaid, or a shadow stripe in a close color can just as easily pass for solid from all but the closest distance, and is conservative enough that it won't matter for any intents and purposes. More importantly, it's very easy to get patterns that are discreet enough to be de facto solid at a good discount. Having to have solid suits shouldn't be that much of a hangup, especially if you already have a well-stocked suit wardrobe.

I agree with you that there's no reason to be throwing around $2000 on a sight unseen suit when you can get 3-4 good quality ones for that price, but from personal experience I'm quite sure that you will be disappointed by the Dunhill that you bought in spite of the advice provided here: the Japanese Dunhill suit I got (for around the same price you paid, so it's not like $500 is a once in a lifetime bargain) truly was a piece of crap, and even the rarity and personally much sought-after status of the fabric pattern (I ordered mine because I had been searching forever for a charcoal suit with green pinstripes) were not able to compensate for the low quality of the suit and justify keeping it.
post #29 of 35
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I am sure everyone here is right. I've already cancelled the shipment of the Dunhill. I figure it is better to face the truth. I have informed STP to give me a couple days to see if there's something else I might want, so to consolidate the shipping ($45 USD to Canada whether 1 or 4 suits). I would really like to pick up another Samuelsohn but they're 2 buttons, so not my style.

Depending on sizing I am now open to picking up something better in a subtle stripe blue.

I appreciate the fact that one can get "close" to plain and really it shouldn't matter. In the beginning I was really stoked about picking up the Dunhill, with what I'd heard about them, and I was trying to delude myself.

I must thank the forum for saving me from drinking my own Kool-Aid. I have seen the light brothers. The dunhill is done.
post #30 of 35
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Originally Posted by ezboy1000
I am sure everyone here is right. I've already cancelled the shipment of the Dunhill. I figure it is better to face the truth. I have informed STP to give me a couple days to see if there's something else I might want, so to consolidate the shipping ($45 USD to Canada whether 1 or 4 suits). I would really like to pick up another Samuelsohn but they're 2 buttons, so not my style.

Depending on sizing I am now open to picking up something better in a subtle stripe blue.

I appreciate the fact that one can get "close" to plain and really it shouldn't matter. In the beginning I was really stoked about picking up the Dunhill, with what I'd heard about them, and I was trying to delude myself.

I must thank the forum for saving me from drinking my own Kool-Aid. I have seen the light brothers. The dunhill is done.

Take a look at the Belvest and Isaia models and see if any of them catch your fancy. There are some that are in blue, I'm not sure how subtle they are though.
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