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I will answer this question after I have my post work-out martini later today. - B
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post #32 of 67
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I don't wear undershirts.
I try to keep sufficiently fit so that a simple walk in warm weather is not a life and death struggle with nature.

The things you mention will help and maybe even be in themselves sufficient for, say, a pleasant summer day in England, which I would describe as being about 25C with a gentle breeze. For most people, none of your strategems would be sufficient for hot weather, as opposed to simply warm weather. All of the tactics you mention above, I use, but on their own they are not effective in a hot climate. The addition of an undershirt makes life more bearable in the summer.

I acknowledge that an undershirt may offer nothing of value to yourself, either because you are simply unusual in your ability to withstand real heat without sweating or because you live somewhere cool. I myself never wore one until I began working in Japan.

TD
post #33 of 67
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This is much too sensible..!

I suggest you up the the Gin measures in those Negroni's

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The things you mention will help and maybe even be in themselves sufficient for, say, a pleasant summer day in England, which I would describe as being about 25C with a gentle breeze. For most people, none of your strategems would be sufficient for hot weather, as opposed to simply warm weather. All of the tactics you mention above, I use, but on their own they are not effective in a hot climate. The addition of an undershirt makes life more bearable in the summer.

I acknowledge that an undershirt may offer nothing of value to yourself, either because you are simply unusual in your ability to withstand real heat without sweating or because you live somewhere cool. I myself never wore one until I began working in Japan.

TD

You make reasonable points, although it did get to a very humid 100 degrees in Boston this July. We had a bit of a heat wave in the Northeast.

Nevertheless, pretty much every guy I see in the summer in a coat and tie on a hot day is dressed exactly in the same clothes that he might wear in the fall and winter.

There are many experiences in life more serious and tortuous that wearing an ill-fitting, cheap, dark (often black), glued suit made up in cold weather fabrics in the summer noon-day sun with a fat knot straddling your neck: but that list is not long.



- B
post #34 of 67
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I don't wear undershirts.


I try to keep sufficiently fit so that a simple walk in warm weather is not a life and death struggle with nature.


- B

This summer in Washington, DC it has been a life and death struggle and being fit has nothing to do with it. It's been 90F and hotter more days than in recorded history. Many days have touched 100F and as most know, DC is built on a swamp. The humidity is absurd. Heat indexes easily cross 100F anytime the temperature reaches 92.

I play judo twice a week, which is very strenuous both aerobically and anaerobically. However, when I step off the metro (train) and walk 12 minutes to work, regardless of whether I am wearing a suit, suit with the jacket off and carried, or even a short sleeve polo shirt and cotton trousers on a Friday with no meetings, I am sweating all over my body.

I don't think there is anything but airconditioning that combats heat like this. No fitness level, summer clothing, or lack of undershirt is going to make the least bit of difference.

Theoretically I could drive to work and remain airconditioned the whole way, but then it would take an extra 40 minutes to get to work and I'd be adding to the problems that are leading to climate change, rather than doing my best to avoid it by taking mass transit.
post #35 of 67
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Theoretically I could drive to work and remain airconditioned the whole way, but then it would take an extra 40 minutes to get to work and I'd be adding to the problems that are leading to climate change, rather than doing my best to avoid it by taking mass transit.

Admirable.

Washington in summer is unbearable.

But then, so it is year round, but not because of the weather.


- B
post #36 of 67
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Originally Posted by Shirtmaven View Post
If you want to wear a Slim fitting shirt... You need to wear slim fitting undershirts.
It is hard to get a loose fitting Hanes T-shirt to fit properly under a shirt with higher then normal armholes.
I have purchased some at Uniqlo.
any other affordable suggestions.

Why on earth wear undershirts at all?
post #37 of 67
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Originally Posted by voxsartoria View Post

Nevertheless, pretty much every guy I see in the summer in a coat and tie on a hot day is dressed exactly in the same clothes that he might wear in the fall and winter.

Well, I can't deny that I see exactly the same thing and I have no sympathy for those who won't try to improve their own lot through changing their wardrobe to suit the climate. This summer I have been wearing mostly linen shirts with standard stays in the collar but almost no collar lining; these are very soft and comfortable but can still take a tie (which is usually something with linen or cotton in the mix). The difference in breathability of these shirts and of linen-wool mix trousers compared to 3-season clothes is very noticeable.

Actually I find that in this season even the thought of wearing warm, dark colours makes me feel hot. I feel much cooler in the lighter shades of grey, pale pinks, tans, whites, soft greens, beiges, creams, faded oranges, light blues.

TD
post #38 of 67
undershirt: Patagonia Capilene-1 ($40)
underwear: ExOfficio (whatever style you want) ($25-30)

I wear that as my baselayer every day because in Florida, you're going to sweat.
post #39 of 67
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I can't imagine not wearing an undershirt.

Well, I can, but not with a white shirt that would develop antiperspirant stains in short order.

Would much rather see a dude's undershirt peeking out than big circles of sweat under his arms.

much as i hate undershirt peek, i have to agree. in addition, i find undershirts necessary to combat the aggressive air-conditioning that you often find in the US.

a while back target used to have very thin stretch undershirts made by champion (i think it was a line specially made for target, but was under the target brand). very form-fitting, but extremely comfortable; unlike other spandexy stuff, there was almost no compression effect, because the fabric is thin / light (similar to American Apparel) and the spandex content minimal (these were mostly cotton). i settled on these as my go-to solution and bought a massive amount. they are incredibly high-quality; unlike my other undershirts (which i had to retire after about a year), they've kept going. material is still in excellent shape, and no pit-stainitis. don't know if they still make them, but this is what i'd recommend, if you can find them.
post #40 of 67
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it did get to a very humid 100 degrees in Boston this July. We had a bit of a heat wave in the Northeast.
Let me second TokyoDandy. I grew up in greater Boston and lived for several years in Japan, and I don't think there's any comparison. Tokyo, Osaka, and especially Kyoto are so humid in the summer that, just walking down the street, you feel as though you're swimming. When I lived there, I would go back to Boston for a visit in the summer and feel chilly--and everyone around me was complaining about the HH&H weather! edit: for a great representation on film of Tokyo summer, see the film from which my avatar is taken, Ozu's Stray Dog.
post #41 of 67
try Florida. unbearably humid 9 months out of the year.
post #42 of 67
Mind you, it's all relative, isn't it. I've heard people in San Diego complain on certain days about the "humidity."
post #43 of 67
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Originally Posted by voxsartoria View Post
...if you are a self-drencher, get your underarms Botoxed.


Vox, for some of us it's more than just the armpits. I'd need to get every pore above the waist botoxed, and I don't think that would be terribly healthy. Oh, and on the subject of healthy I'm 1.78m tall and 76 kg, so hardly a chubber!
post #44 of 67
just picked up 5 undershirts for 5 bucks a piece at uniqlo. they are similar to, if not better than, the $20 shirts i was getting at AA.
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Ozu's Stray Dog.

Great movie.


- B
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