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post #106 of 122

I just bought another Baroni suit from Jeff at Wizard of Aaahs.  A 'fancie stripe" dark blue with purple stripes.  The pants were not pleated and I found that they fit a bit differently than my other Baroni/Danielle suits.  I had to have the tailor let the pants out a little.  I am also in the process of having a Made to Measure suit for my upcoming wedding.  So, for those of you on this site looking for practical feedback, I have this to offer.  The fabrics you can buy when you go Made to Measure or Custom are far more exciting and varied than you can get with the Wizard of Aahs and it is fun to have a few suits that are truly special.  I have one Dormeiul suit that is just so much nicer than anything I have ever owned.  But, it cost me $2,000, a real splurge.  For day to day wear, I still say nothing beats the suits at Wizard of Aahs.  They are amazingly comfortable for a big man like me and the fabric is really soft and feels great to wear.  The super 150s that he sells is thin, I get that and it does wrinkle easily.  I find that letting these suits hang for a few days before wearing them again takes care of the wrinkles.  I am still deciding on whether to get another suit made from Dormeiul fabric or to choose an HOlland and Sherry fabric, but this one will also cost me around $2,000.  It is nice to fill out my closet with different basic colors from Wizard of Aahs for under $300 a suit.  I had my local tailor, a very experienced Chinese tailor, take a hard look at my newest Baroni. He went over it very carefully and said it was a nicely made suit and well worth the $300.  Yes, he was suprised at the cost for the quality but didn't venture a "how much it is really worth" just that he found nothing wrong in the construction and that it had some nice features for an off the rack suit. So, those who are looking for an inexpensive way to go, I still recommend Wizard of Aahs despite some of the more vitriolic and juvenile comments on this site.  I am a labor lawyer and have no connection to Wizard of Aahs other than he gives a little bit of a discount for repeat customers.

post #107 of 122
I thought maybe some of you Baroni skeptics that have been calling me a liar in this thread might want to see this .smile.gif For those of you that posted "I KNOW Baroni is not made by Corneliani".... Just wondering, how does that crow taste? LMAO!


Jiangsu Sunshine Group Installs GERBERsuite Line
China-based Jiangsu Sunshine Group has entered into a joint venture with Italy-based Corneliani. Under the terms of the agreement, Jiangsu Sunshine Group will manufacture 250,000 mens suits per year under the Corneliani name for sale throughout the provinces of Shanghai, Beijing and Nanjing.To support this venture, Jiangsu Sunshine Group has installed the GERBERsuite line of solutions from Gerber Technology, Tolland, Conn. This includes two GTxL Gerber cutters, a DCS 3500 conveyorized cutter, a 122-station Gerbermover for automated assembly and two Gerberspreaders with the Gerbersaver Flaw Management System.The Jiangsu Sunshine Group employs cutting-edge technology for the manufacture of textiles, explained Steven Tang, Gerbers regional vice president for Asia Pacific. Now, they have chosen state-of-the-art technology for their very high-quality mens suit production.

http://www.js.cei.gov.cn/JSfamous/0202002/eyangguq.htm -- "Jiangsu Sunshine Group is one of the 500 largest enterprises in China. There are nearly ten thousands of employees in our group and we produce 20,000,000 meters of worsted wool fabrics, 2,000,000 meters of superior roving fabrics and cashmere, 350, 000 suits of first-class men's suit one year. The wool we use are wholly imported from Australian and 20% the products are exported to the USA, Canada, Japan, Europe, Middle East, Hong Kong etc.The total sales of the next year are over 3 billions yarn

From 2000:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-59651304.html
"MILAN -- Corneliani is headed East. The high-end men's wear manufacturer signed a joint-venture pact with Jiangsu Sunshine, a Chinese textile maker, to produce a line of tailored clothing called Sunshine. The project involves building a production plant from scratch that will guarantee an initial daily production of 1,000 suits.

"We were looking to expand in China but we soon realized it is a very complicated country and that it was vital to find a partner," said chairman Carlo Alberto Corneliani. "In any case, we believe Asia is the future, especially if it continues performing the way it is."

Corneliani will supply its know-how to Jiangsu Sunshine, the number-one mill in China and the third worldwide with an annual wool production of 20 million meters for a total of $460 million in 1998.

The average wholesale price for suits is $***, a high-end price point by Chinese standards. Corneliani estimates that the new venture will rack sales of $25 million by 2002.

But Corneliani is also focusing on its own continent by extending its Polo Ralph Lauren license to Europe, starting with the spring/summer 2000 collection. Under the deal, which was signed in May 1998 for the U.S., Corneliani produces and distributes the Polo Ralph Lauren collections.
Edited by JeffT - 11/16/11 at 9:29am
post #108 of 122
I've not been one to say that Baroni is not made by Corneliani, just that Baroni is a decent $300 suit. It does not compete with suits at higher price points. In any event, I'm not sure what the articles cited above prove. That Baroni is made in the same factory that Corneliani has licensed its name to? That doesn't make me think any more of Baroni, just less of Corneliani that they are willing to dilute their brand by licensing their name to some random factory. I certainly wouldn't pay top dollar for "Corneliani Made in China." I presume that "under the Corneliani name" means a diffusion line? Perhaps "Corny by Corneliani"?
post #109 of 122
I don't understand. The news quotes (links don't work for me) just state that Corneliani are now manufacturing suits in China. The excerpts don't say that those suits are being made specifically for Baroni. If anything, they're being made under a line called "Sunshine".

At any rate, even if it's true, I don't think gloating about something is helping your image. If anything, it just lessens the consideration of purchase from my end of things.
post #110 of 122
Is this guy a teenager or something? confused.gif
post #111 of 122

I've had two Baroni suits for 4 years now, and am very happy with how they look and how they've held up.  My only issue is that the dimensions are odd for a given size.  I take a 44 Long in E. Zegna, HF, Hugo Boss, Arnold Brandt, and Jack Victor, yet the 44L Baroni is like a sack on me.  The 42 Long fits very well. (Was able to sell the 44L Baroni to a friend rather than return it to Jeff).  If you are looking for a suit for travelling and work wear, there's nothing wrong with Baroni (now Danielle) in my humble view.

post #112 of 122
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Originally Posted by lmhickey100 View Post

I've had two Baroni suits for 4 years now, and am very happy with how they look and how they've held up.  My only issue is that the dimensions are odd for a given size.  I take a 44 Long in E. Zegna, HF, Hugo Boss, Arnold Brandt, and Jack Victor, yet the 44L Baroni is like a sack on me.  The 42 Long fits very well. (Was able to sell the 44L Baroni to a friend rather than return it to Jeff).  If you are looking for a suit for travelling and work wear, there's nothing wrong with Baroni (now Danielle) in my humble view.

Welcome to the forum.
post #113 of 122
We get a new one every year or so.
post #114 of 122
Aside from the fact that all these reviews come from people who seemingly register solely to post glowing reviews of Baroni, another way you can tell these are all plants is the fact that they all reference Jeff/Wizard of Aaahs. The Baroni/Danielle line is carried by many different stores. I've inspected them at two different places (and found them to be no better than cheaper Macy's/JAB/MW suits).
post #115 of 122
I haven't tried a Baroni suit yet though I'm tempted solely for the claim that it's at least half canvassed at the low price-point (though it sounds like a JAB signature gold on sale might be comparable). I recently read the AAAC review by Andy and his review seemed fairly positive with a little bit of a knock at the same time...if I remember correctly it came off as its a good suit for what it is and it's target audience.

It would be great though if Jeff could send a sample to one of the respected members here that could examine it and let the rest of us know what it could be compared to.
post #116 of 122
Here's the review I just mentioned which is more positive than I remembered:

http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/uncategorized/baroni-suits
post #117 of 122

I think he has closed his ebay store.

post #118 of 122
Yeah, I read that. I just googled and found this article which appears to be his side of the story (no idea if accurate):

http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/letters/blog.pl?/pl/2012/7/1343446241.html

Anyway: I would really like to see Jeff send one of his Baroni's to a reputable member here for dissection and evaluation. I'm interested to see where it stands against other suits that are more styleforum accepted (ie. Hickey Freeman mainline, BB 1818, etc...).

Jeff, Please offer up one of your suits for evaluation. I think you'd get some good business from the members and lurkers here if your suit gets a satisfactory review.
post #119 of 122
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Originally Posted by Ack22 View Post

Yeah, I read that. I just googled and found this article which appears to be his side of the story (no idea if accurate):

http://www.ecommercebytes.com/C/letters/blog.pl?/pl/2012/7/1343446241.html

Wow!
post #120 of 122
I've got one from my very early suit buying days, and it's decent. It is half canvassed. Fabric and finishing is, as you would expect, not great, but it's fine for what it is.

I actually keep it around and even still wear it occasionally because it fits me very, very well.

I certainly wouldn't buy another one, but you could do a lot worse for the price. It's certainly in no way equal to a Corneliani or really any of the mid-grade full-canvas suits. I'd compare it to a mid or upper-grade JAB suit, except that I like the cut a good deal more--no huge shoulders or anything.
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