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post #16 of 40
I, like j, have never had to worry about being fat. I eat two meals a day (not particularly healthy ones, but no fast food), but I eat a lot of cookies, ice cream and other fat-laden junk, and yet I never gain any weight. I know so many overweight people who have tried diet after diet and never accomplish significant losses. One acquaintance is obese and I know she's tried every diet in the book; she simply can't lose weight. There must be something beyond lifestyle.
post #17 of 40
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Originally Posted by j
BTW, if you read it, and other information on obesity, you wouldn't just say "a lifestyle made you fat". Some people are very predisposed to becoming obese. I know if I were predisposed, I would probably be fat, just because I'm lazy. So I consider myself lucky that I don't have to worry about it.

I've read a lot of information on obesity and the large majority of evidence shows that lifestyle is why the US has a growing obesity problem now and didn't have one in the past. A prediposition doesn't make you obese, it just means you have a better chance of becoming obese living an unhealthy lifestyle compared to someone else without the predisposition. A lot of people have trouble losing the weight after they put it on. What we should be doing is concentrating on preventing obesity by teaching and promoting healthy lifestyles, focusing on infants, children, and adolescents. I'm all for research into preventing and treating obesity. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't be focusing on eating healthy and exercising as well.

It's like lung cancer. I'm all for researching into curing lung cancer, but I also think we should be focusing on getting people not to smoke.
post #18 of 40
I think Americans have grown accustomed to huge portions. For example, even a salad is the equivalent of a cows dinner in America. Some people might think they are on healthy diets, but don't realize that they're still eating too much.

Aside from salads, the average American (or fat person outside of the U.S.) just eats too much oily stuff....which is basically like eating fat.
post #19 of 40
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Originally Posted by Dragon
I think Americans have grown accustomed to huge portions. For example, even a salad is the equivalent of a cows dinner in America. Some people might think they are on healthy diets, but don't realize that they're still eating too much.

Aside from salads, the average American (or fat person outside of the U.S.) just eats too much oily stuff....which is basically like eating fat.
True. One thing I guess helps me avoid becoming obese is that I have no problem stopping when I have eaten enough. It's rare that I will finish everything I'm given at a restaurant, with the exception of fast food, and I usually don't buy the whole normal giant meal when I do get fast food. I eat slowly and chew my food well, and I figure I end up tasting it for about as long as, if not longer than, people who just hork things down, and have better digestion. Plus, leftovers. (Which I have no problem taking home - hope that doesn't ruin your night K****th)
post #20 of 40
I think the portion size thing is a real problem. They've done studies that have shown if you put more food in front of people they tend to eat more. If you look at the plate size and portion sizes they gotten much bigger over time in the US. Also people tend to eat out a lot more now, which just tends to add to the overeating.
post #21 of 40
I'm fat and it has everything to do with not enough activity. I was never much of a person for junk food, but with whatever genetic predispositions I might have had, not playing sports for several years after grade 10 didn't help.

I don't like the notion of obesity being a disease. That takes away responsibility from the fat person. Just take responsibility and fix it. Fuck the Oprah moment. It seems today with alcoholism, drug addiction or whatever, it's everyone's fault but the addict itself. For me, it was lack of activity. All of my friends are quite thin (some appallingly so), and because I'm never home with my parents, I ate like 95% of my meals with them. As a result, I never really ate bad food or very large quantities. Chalk it up to bad genetics then. However, I accept that excercise is the only way out of it, and because I can no longer do the football and rugby thing due to needing my hands, I go to the gym twice a day. 2x cardio, plus weights.

Whatever information they can find that could one day help the situation would be great, but I find I'm in a tiny minority of fat people who just deals with the situation. I can't standing hearing whining about food addictions or fear of a treadmill. There's no excuse...
post #22 of 40
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Originally Posted by Dakota rube
I, like j, have never had to worry about being fat. I eat two meals a day (not particularly healthy ones, but no fast food), but I eat a lot of cookies, ice cream and other fat-laden junk, and yet I never gain any weight.

I know so many overweight people who have tried diet after diet and never accomplish significant losses. One acquaintance is obese and I know she's tried every diet in the book; she simply can't lose weight. There must be something beyond lifestyle.

I don't want to harp but a lot of people that diet don't really know what they're doing, both with regards to the dieting and the excercising. A lot of personal trainers give bad advice. I base this on my experience with them trying to GAIN weight. I went to see one and the work-out I got was pretty useless. It took well over an hour to complete, which is bad, especially for someone trying to put on muscle. Instead, I did a lot of reading online and the program I put together on my own once I understood all the concepts involved is WAY more effective. It takes one look around the gym to see that probably 70% of the people there are lifting in poor form or swinging weights around in a counter-productive way.

I'm gaining a significant amount of weight for the first time in my life. Excercise is useless unless the proper diet is in place and vice versa. That goes for skinny guys trying to gain weight and fat guys trying to lose it. Big changes are possible. I have a friend that went from 135 to 185 of solid muscle. Based on my gains in the past month I'm pretty sure I could manage that as well but I really have no desire to so I'll stop at 160. And do you think I enjoy eating 6 times a day? It's a mf pain in the ass. I hadn't cooked in 2 years prior to starting my weight training so it's been a total readjustment for me but I do it b/c the results will be worth it. In two weeks start dieting to cut down my body fat. I won't enjoy that either but i'll do it.
post #23 of 40
Thread Starter 
The so-called American gas crisis is making people eat out less. Perhaps that expected long-term situation will have an effect on the obesity epidemic.

Also - paging doctors here - it would be good to know how digestion affects weight. For example, while very poor digestion might keep someone thin (becaue eating all the time is unpleasant and probably impractical), might merely lousy digestion make a person eat more to get the required nutrients?
post #24 of 40
Thread Starter 
As for the dietary aspect of being fat, it's well established that people consume too many calories and too many unhealthy substances and do not drink enough water (which aids digestions and alleviates the thirst that some misinterpret as hunger). Also, if you believe the unproven idea that about a pound of protein per pound of body weight (without a correspondingly high intake of fat) is ideal, most people do not consume enough protein, which is an appetite suppressant.
post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by mensimageconsultant
Also - paging doctors here - it would be good to know how digestion affects weight. For example, while very poor digestion might keep someone thin (becaue eating all the time is unpleasant and probably impractical), might merely lousy digestion make a person eat more to get the required nutrients?

That's kinda far-fetched. Digestion really isn't that complicated and I can't imagine a lot going wrong unless you're missing ,short of, or have slightly different forms of a specific enzyme like lactase, for example, which would be the cause of lactose intolerance. African americans have a problem with that but "poor digestion" can hardly be used as an excuse by most people.

Increasing the amount of food intake during a meal wouldn't result in any additional nutrients being broken down and absorbed if the body can't deal with the digestion of normal portions. Or are you wondering if these people would have to eat constantly to provide their bodies with what's needed?

EDIT: And I didn't know protein was an appetite suppresant, but it sounds kinda bogus to me. I eat 280g (for reference, a 4oz chicken breast contains about 40g of protein) of it a day and I'm hungry every 3 hours. I would agree that most people probably don't eat enough protein, but that in itself wouldn't make them fatter.
post #26 of 40
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That's kinda far-fetched. Digestion really isn't that complicated and I can't imagine a lot going wrong unless you're missing ,short of, or have slightly different forms of a specific enzyme like lactase, for example, which would be the cause of lactose intolerance. African americans have a problem with that but "poor digestion" can hardly be used as an excuse by most people.

Poor digestion might be underdiagnosed. It's something most people treat on their own, over the counter, if they suspect it. If poor digestion is increasing, consider this as a likely culprit - antibiotics kill intestinal flora. Hey, someone else already made the connection.The association between antibiotic consumption and the increase of human growth/obesity is suspected.


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Increasing the amount of food intake during a meal wouldn't result in any additional nutrients being broken down and absorbed if the body can't deal with the digestion of normal portions. Or are you wondering if these people would have to eat constantly to provide their bodies with what's needed?

The latter. "Previous studies have shown that eating behaviors, such as increased fast food consumption (Thompson et al., 2004), increased portion sizes, and increased snacking may explain the increase in overweight and obese young adults (Nicklas et al., 2001)." The more important question is, Why do people snack? It would be strange if hunger or thirst aren't usually involved.
post #27 of 40
Will power, both are hard not to eat/drink.





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post #28 of 40
Absolutely agree, that discipline is a key factor in weight maintenance. Until I turned 38, I could eat just about what I wanted to eat, and never gain more than two pounds. Nearing 51, that has changed a great deal, at least for me. Now, I must accept the fact that if I'm going to stay slim, I cannot eat as much as I may want to eat, nor as often as I may want to eat. Nor, can I eat the THINGS, that I want to eat. All this, and exercise, too.

Recently I attended a 'welcome home,' party for friends who are moving back, from Florida. The average age at this gathering, was around 60. My sister, sho is 54 and weighs 108 pounds, and I were among the vast minority of slender people, there. Not just that: these people were more than fifty pounds, overweight. What were they doing, during the party?? Eating. And, all the wrong things. As for exercise, when you're that heavy, it's much more difficult to work out.

When I was young, I used to think that movie stars, just 'looked that way.' Now, of course, I know how hard it was for them, to stay thin . . . especially since cameras, add weight from all angles. I think that's partly why so many of them, smoked themselves to death.
post #29 of 40
What makes ppl fat:
-Industrial food and sweets.
-Lack of exrcice.
I don't believe that the quantity of food people eat is the main cause of obesity. Eating industrial low quality food makes you fat whereas choosing things you will eat preserves you from that!
Look for example at the homeless people in the streats: here in paris many of them are actually fat and it's not because they're eating too much. They are just eating whatever they find and they drink a lot, so they get fat.
we have to eat less industrial food saturated with sugar, salt, fat and other disgusting stuff...
post #30 of 40
I think most people tend to look for all kinds of excuses before looking to the basic law that if you eat less and excercise more you will lose weight.

It's absolutely true that there is some kind of genetic disposition business. My younger brother and I look exactly alike and are only 2 years apart in age. I have always had to be far more disciplined to stay slender, whereas my brother will only gain weight very slowly when he eats junk.

I was studying for the bar exam and he was preparing his final thesis for architecture masters this summer and we both let fitness lapse. Although both of us probably look out of shape, there is a marked difference in the WAY we gained the weight. I would say I look more and more like a full back and less like a quarterback and he looks more like a skinny guy with a spare tire around his waist.

The flip side of the coin is that I have a lot more luck weight lifting in terms of adding muscle.

Sorry to rant- I guess the point is that for either of us, losing the weight involves the same thing= eat less+ exercise more.
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