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post #91 of 3277
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Another thing, I think that MT should only use "BODY MEASUREMENTS".
I disagree with you. Measuring a shirt you already own, which you can lay flat and work with very easily, is much less prone to error than having someone else measure you. In addition, even if you are great at measuring yourself, submitting body measurements introduces another variable - you're asking someone else to interpret those measurements and then make a pattern. If you measure your shirt, you'll get a shirt that matches those measurements, which is much more appealing to me.
post #92 of 3277
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Another thing, I think that MT should only use "BODY MEASUREMENTS".
And another thing, why would you want ModernTailor to provide fewer options to the customer? If you don't like the option to measure your own shirt, then don't use it. What's it to you if I prefer that? Why would you want to deny me that option?
post #93 of 3277
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MT has the option of measuring one of your nicely fitting shirts, and they can replicate this. However, I believe that by doing this, you are only getting an OTR shirt with more options, but NOT A BESPOKE TAILORED FIT.

Using body measurements is no different, that's why it's called 'made to measure', not bespoke. Essentially both approaches are exactly the same except with body measurements they add a few inches to each one to derive the actual shirt measurements. That doesn't make one any less 'tailored' or 'bespoke' than the other.
post #94 of 3277
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Originally Posted by Sanguis Mortuum View Post
Using body measurements is no different, that's why it's called 'made to measure', not bespoke. Essentially both approaches are exactly the same except with body measurements they add a few inches to each one to derive the actual shirt measurements. That doesn't make one any less 'tailored' or 'bespoke' than the other.

I went with using a shirt that fits me perfectly, figure it is way easier to measure that than have someone measure me and have MT (or any tailor) attempt to adjust that hoping for the same result.

For $35 I got a "starter" shirt with the upgraded buttons, don't own a black shirt so figured I might as well see how they stack up vs CYC who I just received two shirts from. Will update once I receive the shirt.
post #95 of 3277
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Originally Posted by viator View Post
I disagree with you. Measuring a shirt you already own, which you can lay flat and work with very easily, is much less prone to error than having someone else measure you. In addition, even if you are great at measuring yourself, submitting body measurements introduces another variable - you're asking someone else to interpret those measurements and then make a pattern. If you measure your shirt, you'll get a shirt that matches those measurements, which is much more appealing to me.



Here's something that you should consider trying: Measure the back and front rise of your pants. I GUARANTEE that you would have a RANGE of values. If I tried to measure the back rise of ONE OF MY PANTS, I get a range of values, from 16.875, 17.00, and 17.25. Also, the fabric has a slight elasticity associated with it, so the back rise can change based on how much I'm stretching out the fabric, or how I angle the tape measure.

To be fair, this divergence in measurements is also found in body measurements, however, for many measurements, this is NOT the case, such as wrists. But for stomach, especially, this can change. The stomach area is very elastic. The measurement fluctuates based on the emptiness/fullness of your stomach, where you place the tape measure, how tight do you have it around your elastic stomach, and probably at what point of your respiratory cycle you're in. However, this value is easier to take, and if they did diverge, they diverge LESS.

Also, it's very difficult to measure certain dimensions since they are curvilinear measurements. Unless I know the mathematical equation, I can't take the integral of the arc length (never mind that arc length calculations using calculus is a numeric approximation for most functions).
post #96 of 3277
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Originally Posted by viator View Post
And another thing, why would you want ModernTailor to provide fewer options to the customer? If you don't like the option to measure your own shirt, then don't use it. What's it to you if I prefer that? Why would you want to deny me that option?

Viator,
Not all options are good options. If I had a shirt company, would it be an improvement if I were identical to MT, except that you have the OPTION (but not the obligation) to purchase a shirt with wine stains on it? It's more options, after all, than what MT has for you today.

I personally think that measuring a shirt for MT is inferior to simply giving them your dress shirt size (i.e. 14.5" and 32/33"). I'm sure that they have the detailed instructions for the arms and all based on these 2 parameters.
post #97 of 3277
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Originally Posted by BostonElitist View Post
Viator,
Not all options are good options. If I had a shirt company, would it be an improvement if I were identical to MT, except that you have the OPTION (but not the obligation) to purchase a shirt with wine stains on it? It's more options, after all, than what MT has for you today.

I personally think that measuring a shirt for MT is inferior to simply giving them your dress shirt size (i.e. 14.5" and 32/33"). I'm sure that they have the detailed instructions for the arms and all based on these 2 parameters.

No, What about the people who don't fit well OTR, e.g. smell chest or large drop. The option to measure a shirt for MT allow the customers to tweak around with measurements that otherwise would not be possible for mass OTR shirts.

Go read their guide on how take measurements.
post #98 of 3277
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Originally Posted by BostonElitist View Post
Viator,
Not all options are good options. If I had a shirt company, would it be an improvement if I were identical to MT, except that you have the OPTION (but not the obligation) to purchase a shirt with wine stains on it? It's more options, after all, than what MT has for you today

Stupid that you would say this. If you want to submit body measurements you can.
post #99 of 3277
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Originally Posted by BostonElitist View Post
Viator, Not all options are good options. If I had a shirt company, would it be an improvement if I were identical to MT, except that you have the OPTION (but not the obligation) to purchase a shirt with wine stains on it? It's more options, after all, than what MT has for you today.
No, it would not necessarily be an improvement to offer wine stained shirts. However, nobody here is arguing that all options are good options. The fact that Modern Tailor is offering several different ways to provide measurements ( by size, body measurement, shirt measurement, or shirt sample). Each additional way gives the customer more possible confidence in getting a shirt that they are comfortable with.
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I personally think that measuring a shirt for MT is inferior to simply giving them your dress shirt size (i.e. 14.5" and 32/33"). I'm sure that they have the detailed instructions for the arms and all based on these 2 parameters.
Holy shit you are an idiot. Do you actually think that by giving your neck size and your typical shirt sleeve size MT will be able to "figure out" the size of your arms, waist, chest, shoulders etc? I cannot believe you are a rational being with some of the statements that you make. I am also baffled by the fact that you are so stupid that you cannot appreciate the benefits of options.
post #100 of 3277
Here are the shots of my first MT shirt. This result was achieved by using the process I described above (having my alterations tailor make an OTR shirt fit perfect, and then taking measurements off that shirt). Knowing how to properly measure helps, obviously. YMMV.







Hard to tell here but the shape of the curve and the stitching isn't 100% perfect:




This is my biggest gripe about how the collar turned out; this overlap can happen:
post #101 of 3277
If it still fits this way after you wash it, I would suggest slimming down the armhole and bicep measurements by a good bit.
post #102 of 3277
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If it still fits this way after you wash it, I would suggest slimming down the armhole and bicep measurements by a good bit.

Agreed. The shirt just seems too "roomy". Although maybe that's how you like it. When I go MTM, I want it to be as slim fit to my measurements as possible.
post #103 of 3277
That shirt looks good. I would raise the arm hole a bit and get a different collar. Otherwise, it fits you nicely.
post #104 of 3277
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Originally Posted by BostonElitist View Post
I personally think that measuring a shirt for MT is inferior to simply giving them your dress shirt size (i.e. 14.5" and 32/33").

You really are one of the dumbest people to ever post on this forum.
post #105 of 3277
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Originally Posted by BostonElitist View Post

I personally think that measuring a shirt for MT is inferior to simply giving them your dress shirt size (i.e. 14.5" and 32/33"). I'm sure that they have the detailed instructions for the arms and all based on these 2 parameters.

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You really are one of the dumbest people to ever post on this forum.

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