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post #31 of 3277
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Originally Posted by Nadim View Post
I read somewhere on MT's website about the standard fluctuation in measurements.

Found it in the FAQ:

How much adjustment from the shirt measurements should I expect on the finished product?
Our tolerance of production (cutting commitment) is based on international standards.
Chest/Waist/Hip (+/-) 2cm
Shirt Length (+/-) 2cm
Sleeve length (+/-) 1cm
Shoulder (+/-) 1cm
Cuff/Collar (+/-) 1cm
Armhole (+/-) 2cm

Does this seem wrong to anyone else?

2cm is almost an inch. Imagine that level of regular inconsistency in key measurements like chest/waist/hip and armhole across multiple orders while you are trying to dial in your correct size. My fit issues are starting to make sense.
post #32 of 3277
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Originally Posted by NukeMeSlowly View Post
Has anyone experienced fluctuations in their shirts measurements from order to order?

For example, your profile measurements state "sleeves 26 inches long" but MT sends you shirts with 25 and/or 27 inch sleeves?

I have discovered fluctuations in some of my measurements from a half inch off to 1 & 1/2 inches off. I am wondering if this is a widespread problem or if I am just unlucky.

I think you were unlucky. I have not had that kind of experience after 15 shirts. The collars, cuffs, and sleeve length are always spot on. I have had some fabrics that shrank more than others and some now fit more snug. I always measure my shirts before I launder them so that if there is a problem I can get credit for it. They made it right for me when they were a bit off on my suit measurements and would assume they would do the same on shirts.

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Originally Posted by NukeMeSlowly View Post
To be certain, I would measure your second shirt collar to verify that the measurement is not what you requested. Based on your fit experience, I assume it isn't.

You shouldn't change your measurements. MT should make the shirt properly per your stated requirements.

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Originally Posted by Nadim View Post
I read somewhere on MT's website about the standard fluctuation in measurements.

Found it in the FAQ:

How much adjustment from the shirt measurements should I expect on the finished product?
Our tolerance of production (cutting commitment) is based on international standards.
Chest/Waist/Hip (+/-) 2cm
Shirt Length (+/-) 2cm
Sleeve length (+/-) 1cm
Shoulder (+/-) 1cm
Cuff/Collar (+/-) 1cm
Armhole (+/-) 2cm

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Originally Posted by NukeMeSlowly View Post
Does this seem wrong to anyone else?

2cm is almost an inch. Imagine that level of regular inconsistency in key measurements like chest/waist/hip and armhole across multiple orders while you are trying to dial in your correct size. My fit issues are starting to make sense.

Just exactly how much are you trying to 'dial' in your fit. I hear latex is form fitting... Their tolerances seem about right. 2cm is .79 inch. In the chest/waist/hip, shirt length, and armhole a tolerance of .79 inch is not really noticeable. If you think it is then you are extremely OCD and need medication. The tolerances of 1cm for the rest of the shirt reflect where the important features that most matter to fit are concerned. As with anything, you get what you pay for. MTM, ordered online from China, is obviously not bespoke nor high-end clothing and if you want tighter tolerances then you will have to pay for it.
post #33 of 3277
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Originally Posted by imwithtuxedo View Post
Just exactly how much are you trying to 'dial' in your fit. I hear latex is form fitting... Their tolerances seem about right. 2cm is .79 inch. In the chest/waist/hip, shirt length, and armhole a tolerance of .79 inch is not really noticeable. If you think it is then you are extremely OCD and need medication. The tolerances of 1cm for the rest of the shirt reflect where the important features that most matter to fit are concerned. As with anything, you get what you pay for. MTM, ordered online from China, is obviously not bespoke nor high-end clothing and if you want tighter tolerances then you will have to pay for it.

I don't know if you are trying to be funny but you are coming across in print like a dick. Expecting to have consistent measurements is hardly an OCD symptom - especially given that MT guarantees perfect fitting shirts. Having the chest 8/10s of inch too big, the armhole too small and the hip too big on one order and then a different combination of too small and/or too big on the next and yet another different combination of too small and/or too big on the one after that does make it tough to get the ideal fit.

You cannot chalk this up to Hong Kong MTM either because I have not had this experience with my ~20 orders from Jantzen and MyTailor while my MT measurements (e.g., chest, armhole) have fluctuated from 1 - 2 1/4 inches over just three orders.

Other people have already posted in this thread about having similar problems, so clearly my experience is not unique.
post #34 of 3277
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Originally Posted by imwithtuxedo View Post
Just exactly how much are you trying to 'dial' in your fit. I hear latex is form fitting... Their tolerances seem about right. 2cm is .79 inch. In the chest/waist/hip, shirt length, and armhole a tolerance of .79 inch is not really noticeable. If you think it is then you are extremely OCD and need medication. The tolerances of 1cm for the rest of the shirt reflect where the important features that most matter to fit are concerned. As with anything, you get what you pay for. MTM, ordered online from China, is obviously not bespoke nor high-end clothing and if you want tighter tolerances then you will have to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by NukeMeSlowly View Post
I don't know if you are trying to be funny but you are coming across in print like a dick. Expecting to have consistent measurements is hardly an OCD symptom - especially given that MT guarantees perfect fitting shirts. Having the chest 8/10s of inch too big, the armhole too small and the hip too big on one order and then a different combination of too small and/or too big on the next and yet another different combination of too small and/or too big on the one after that does make it tough to get the ideal fit.

You cannot chalk this up to Hong Kong MTM either because I have not had this experience with my ~20 orders from Jantzen and MyTailor while my MT measurements (e.g., chest, armhole) have fluctuated from 1 - 2 1/4 inches over just three orders.

Other people have already posted in this thread about having similar problems, so clearly my experience is not unique.

I was trying to be a dick. You were commenting on their allowable tolerances and I was simply pointing out that .79 of an inch tolerance in those specific areas is not that noticeable. That is the maximum, not the norm, that they allow. Your claim of 1-2.25 inches of variance is outside of the norm that they allow and you should inform them of their mistake and have them correct it. Because they guarantee it as you stated.

Having multiple measurements on multiple orders being wildly off would be the first I've heard of. I've read of some people getting shirts that had a measurement off but to have multiple key areas not as ordered is unlikely. Your example or experience (it's unclear) would seem to be the exception rather than the rule on MT completely screwing up measurements. I personally like MT, for better or worse, and have had as others have had a great experience with their product.

I wasn't chalking it up to anything. Was merely pointing out that you are ordering a custom product online from a foreign country at a certain price point. Your expectations are clearly not in line with your expenditures.

So, you're telling me that you measured every shirt you received from Jantzen and MyTailor and found their measurements on every shirt spot on? Doubtful. Especially because by the time the Jantzen shirts show up you forgot you ordered the damn things...
post #35 of 3277
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Originally Posted by imwithtuxedo View Post
I was trying to be a dick. You were commenting on their allowable tolerances and I was simply pointing out that .79 of an inch tolerance in those specific areas is not that noticeable. That is the maximum, not the norm, that they allow. Your claim of 1-2.25 inches of variance is outside of the norm that they allow and you should inform them of their mistake and have them correct it. Because they guarantee it as you stated.

Having multiple measurements on multiple orders being wildly off would be the first I've heard of. I've read of some people getting shirts that had a measurement off but to have multiple key areas not as ordered is unlikely. Your example or experience (it's unclear) would seem to be the exception rather than the rule on MT completely screwing up measurements. I personally like MT, for better or worse, and have had as others have had a great experience with their product.

I wasn't chalking it up to anything. Was merely pointing out that you are ordering a custom product online from a foreign country at a certain price point. Your expectations are clearly not in line with your expenditures.

So, you're telling me that you measured every shirt you received from Jantzen and MyTailor and found their measurements on every shirt spot on? Doubtful. Especially because by the time the Jantzen shirts show up you forgot you ordered the damn things...

I am glad we both agree that you are a dick.

Perhaps you fail to understand what plus or minus means. If I request my ideal sized 9.5 inch armhole measurement and they send me a shirt with a 8.75 armhole measurement, that is within their stated acceptable variation of PLUS OR MINUS .80 inch but it results in an unwearable shirt for me. My required 19 inch armhole just became 17.5. How is this not a problem? Even if we assume they are referring to the entire circumference measurement (a point that is not at all clear), my 19 inch armhole is now 18.25 and still too tight to wear. I can understand a .25 inch variation but more than .75 inch is too much when you are paying for MADE TO MEASURE.

FYI Mr. Dick, my Jantzen deliveries average about 3 3/4 weeks.
post #36 of 3277
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Originally Posted by NukeMeSlowly View Post
I am glad we both agree that you are a dick.

Perhaps you fail to understand what plus or minus means. If I request my ideal sized 9.5 inch armhole measurement and they send me a shirt with a 8.75 armhole measurement, that is within their stated acceptable variation of PLUS OR MINUS .80 inch but it results in an unwearable shirt for me. My required 19 inch armhole just became 17.5. How is this not a problem? Even if we assume they are referring to the entire circumference measurement (a point that is not at all clear), my 19 inch armhole is now 18.25 and still too tight to wear. I can understand a .25 inch variation but more than .75 inch is too much when you are paying for MADE TO MEASURE.

FYI Mr. Dick, my Jantzen deliveries average about 3 3/4 weeks.



You require a 19' armhole. You send them an armhole measurement of 9.5". If your shirt comes back with an armhole larger than 19.79 or smaller than 18.21 then you tell them and they make it right. You are aware of their tolerances, if 18.25 is too small to wear then caveat emptor.

It is actually quite clear how to get the measurement. The picture on the website where you input the measurement shows you how. Lay the shirt flat, measure from the top along the seam to the pit. You only measure one side of the armhole and they produce a sleeve circumference based on that measurement. Sleeves are cut from one piece of fabric and sewn together. They don't join two separate pieces of cloth that measure 9.5" to make your sleeves. Again, if your shirt is larger than 19.79 or smaller than 18.21 have them make it right by you.

One more time, you are paying for a service at a certain price point. It isn't going to be perfect every time because I imagine that quality control is impossible for them to predict. This is why they allow for tolerances. You want .25" tolerance at a price point that it isn't justified by and doesn't require it to maintain a good business model.

Jantzen shirts in 3 3/4 weeks would be the exception, not the rule.
http://www.styleforum.net/showthread...40751&page=126
http://www.styleforum.net/showthread...40751&page=127

These types of reviews are why I went with MT instead of Jantzen.
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post #38 of 3277
Oh snap, I'm sitting here reading this right now sporting a super sweet Modern Tailor shirt! I've ordered three shirts thus far (to Canada with no duty or extra charges) and have been very happy with the results.

Not sure if I will ever buy another OTR shirt as long as Modern Tailor is an option. My only problem so far is buying them in the summer when I'm in relatively lean with no regard for the inevitable winter weight gain. I guess the shirts provide a good barometer of when it's time to stop "bulking up"

Just saw the white and black intro "test" shirt option too. That's pretty sweet. For $20 you can hammer out a black shirt that, if all goes well, gets worn to the club and gets booze spilled all over it, and, at worst, get's chucked into a charity bin. Fantastic idea!!
post #39 of 3277
Has anyone on the last page actually ordered anything or is this purely a philosophical pissing match? I have received over 20 Jantzens in my past and have also ordered at least 15 MT shirts - probably more. I have seen no significant variation in the fitting of my MT shirts and yes, Jantzen is an unpredictable clusterf*ck. I appreciated them for what they were at the time, but I cannot say I would choose them again over MT. For the record, I too am an @sshole but it's much less intentional.
post #40 of 3277
I own 8 MT shirts and wear them all the time. The average price is under $50. I received them from 4 separate orders all in about 10 days each. Sure there are better tailors, but for quality, reliability, selection of fabrics, the price point and the time it takes, MT is great.
post #41 of 3277
I have 14 MT shirts and one MT suit. I only order shirts one or two at a time so my orders have been spread out over the past year. I didn't bother with Jantzen because of the thread I posted earlier and didn't like the MyTailor website. I might give cottonworks or Cego a try this fall.
post #42 of 3277
There was a $20-off code posted for August at some point, but now I can't find it. Anyone else know where it is?
post #43 of 3277
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Originally Posted by nohio View Post
There was a $20-off code posted for August at some point, but now I can't find it. Anyone else know where it is?

sfmtaugust20
post #44 of 3277
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Originally Posted by imwithtuxedo View Post
I have 14 MT shirts and one MT suit. I only order shirts one or two at a time so my orders have been spread out over the past year. I didn't bother with Jantzen because of the thread I posted earlier and didn't like the MyTailor website. I might give cottonworks or Cego a try this fall.

And with that I go from condescending douche to inquisitive douche. How was the suit? Specifically, how were the pants and fabric and can you share which fabric #? I have some serious powerlifting thighs and cannot wear mabitex, incotex, howard yount, etc. etc. I am contenplating ordering some pants from MT.
post #45 of 3277
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Originally Posted by Henry Boogers View Post
And with that I go from condescending douche to inquisitive douche. How was the suit? Specifically, how were the pants and fabric and can you share which fabric #? I have some serious powerlifting thighs and cannot wear mabitex, incotex, howard yount, etc. etc. I am contenplating ordering some pants from MT.

My MT suit review starts here: http://www.styleforum.net/showthread...=161777&page=8

I'm happy with the suit. I will adjust some of my measurements for my next suit order to get a better fit as I was a bit cautious with some of my measurements. Overall I'm happy with the suit considering the price. They were a bit off on some of my measurements on the chest and length of the coat but they pay for alterations up to $75.
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